Multi-events 2023

[DET59]

Well, it's not a coincidence that the two (male) athletes to have done this in recent times have the two fastest dec 400s in history. I can't imagine for example Mayer taking a year off to run the 400h.

Decathletes come in all shapes and sizes (WR holder Hingson 6'7/220 to 9000 pointer Warner 6'/180) and I agree 400H would be a good indicator of skill and fitness amd possibly potential. Back in the 8000 point days coaches often looked to convert hurdlers/vaulters. In the 9000 point era I think hardest thing to develop is arm speed/javelin ability. The inability to get a good javelin score seems to be a litmus test, often the dividing line between good and great for both heptathletes and decathletes (let's hope it's something Anna Hall can develop and Garland can improve and become consistent in, I'm not sure I want Sulek to change/improve : )

[Revenant]

KJT opened her season the weekend in windy Loughborough. She ran 13.73 (- 1.0) in the 100mh; 13.13 in the SP and then a 400m relay leg in 52.6 (leg 2).

She wasn't happy with her hurdles, but it was an ok time considering it was a rust-buster and on a not-very-fast track into the wind. I expect a 13.4 in Gotzis. She was happy with her SP, which is actually her 4th best outdoor SP ever (5th best in & out).

She put a vomit emoji after the relay split - I guess that said it all LOL. But a 52.6 split was very decent.

[DET59]

Anyone think Gotzis will be a good heptathlon? Just part of the start list: (David... please do your 'prognostics‘？）

VIDTS Noor 🇧🇪	6571
JOHNSON-THOMPSON Katarina 🇬🇧	6981
SCHÄFER Carolin 🇩🇪	6836
OOSTERWEGEL Emma 🇳🇱	6590
VETTER Anouk 🇳🇱	6867
SUŁEK Adrianna 🇵🇱	6672
LOBAN Yuliya 🇺🇦	5938
HALL Anna 🇺🇸	6755
KUNZ Annie 🇺🇸	6703

[cigar95]

First time I've seen Annie Kunz' name in a long time. Any insider information on her health? (Don't care if she's in form, I'd just be happy to see her healthy with a chance to recover that great form from '21.)

[AS]

Pretty handy Men's fields at Gotzis too:

Warner 9018 PR
Lepage 8701
Moloney 8649
Victor 8550
Tilga 8484
Ehammer 8468
Dubler 8393
Devon Williams 8345
Golubovic 8336
Wiesiolek 8333
Nilson 8327
Kopecky 8310

Exciting to three Aussies!

https://www.meeting-goetzis.at/en/79

[DET59]

Pretty handy Men's fields at Gotzis too:

Warner 9018 PR
Lepage 8701
Moloney 8649
Victor 8550
Tilga 8484
Ehammer 8468
Dubler 8393
Devon Williams 8345
Golubovic 8336
Wiesiolek 8333
Nilson 8327
Kopecky 8310

Exciting to three Aussies!

https://www.meeting-goetzis.at/en/79

I'd like to set an over/under bet on women vs men approaching/going over 7000/9000 at Gotzis Historically, only 4 men have ever score 9000+ and only 4 women hav scored 7000+ Would you bet more on the women right now or the men?

[Davidokun]

First time I've seen Annie Kunz' name in a long time. Any insider information on her health? (Don't care if she's in form, I'd just be happy to see her healthy with a chance to recover that great form from '21.)

Outsider here. She entered the Mt. SAC Relays heptathlon, but dropped out after the long jump. She seems to be healthy, but working her way back to pre-injury form. A comparison of her personal and season bests:

Discipline	Personal Best	Score	Season Best	Score
100H	13.12 +0.3 (2021 Götzis)	1106	13.32 +0.2 (4/12 MSR)	1077
HJ	1.82i (5-11½) (2020 Annapolis)	1003	1.68 (5-6) (4/12 MSR)	830
SP	15.80 (51-10) (2021 Chula Vista)	915	15.61 (51-2¾) (4/8 La Jolla)	902
200	23.71 +2.0 (2021 OT)	1009	24.63 +1.4 (4/12 MSR)	921
LJ	6.50 (21-4) +1.2 (2021 OT)	1007	5.69 (18-8) 0.0 (3/25 San Diego)	756
JT	45.06 (147-10) (2021 OT)	765	40.11 (131-7) (5/6 Eagle Rock)	669
800	2:14.90 (2016 Azusa)	894	2:20.00*	824
Total		6699		5979

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*She hasn't run an 800 yet. This time is near her career average.

[cigar95]

Thanks, David. The hurdles and the shot suggest she may well be in that "healthy-but-still-finding-form" stage.

I'll avoid trying to overthink why she's doing so much better in some events than others so far in '23.

[Davidokun]

Thanks, David. The hurdles and the shot suggest she may well be in that "healthy-but-still-finding-form" stage.

I'll avoid trying to overthink why she's doing so much better in some events than others so far in '23.

Good thinking. She's had three or fewer competitions in each discipline: three hurdles, two high jumps, three shot puts, one 200, three long jumps, one javelin throw, zero 800s.

By the way, that's her in the green leggings in this photo.

[Atticus]

Thanks, David. The hurdles and the shot suggest she may well be in that "healthy-but-still-finding-form" stage.

But her jumps look decidedly affected.
Bougard and K Wms are in a similar situation.
The only one who seems auto-Q-able is indeed Hall.

[ZazaShoya]

Outsider here. She entered the Mt. SAC Relays heptathlon, but dropped out after the long jump. She seems to be healthy, but working her way back to pre-injury form. A comparison of her personal and season bests:

Worth noting/reminding, when looking at this sum of PBs, that she belongs to a rare (unique ?) category of athletes with an Hep/Dec record superior to the sum of their individual events records.
6699 vs 6703, as she recorded PB or near best efforts in all of the events en route to an Heptathlon record, with a windy not-official PB 100H.

[dupontred]

But her jumps look decidedly affected.
Bougard and K Wms are in a similar situation.
The only one who seems auto-Q-able is indeed Hall.

And perhaps Brooks!

[donley2]

But her jumps look decidedly affected.
Bougard and K Wms are in a similar situation.
The only one who seems auto-Q-able is indeed Hall.

Hall already has the auto-Q. But for the rest of the americans it does indeed look like a scramble.

[DET59]

....tshe belongs to a rare (unique ?) category of athletes with an Hep/Dec record superior to the sum of their individual events records.
6699 vs 6703, as she recorded PB or near best efforts in all of the events en route to an Heptathlon record, with a windy not-official PB 100H.

Zazsa, very interesting observation. While it's not unusual for a junior, or young collegiate multievent to "go wild" in a multi and exceed the sum of their previous PR's, it is rare at a high level (I'd say over 6500, 8500) for someone to do that, and even rarer for what AK did in 2021 at the age of 28. Hoping she comes back to that level or better. It's might take a pretty high score to make the USA WC heptathlon team. Anyone want to speculate how high?

I don't have the wherewithal to figure it out, but I'm wondering what the best "PR 100+ % of " 6500/8500 multi-eventer scores ever has been? AK scored 5 points over her previous PR totals. I believe Kyle Garland, when he scored 8720 in Fayetteville, had previous PR's that totaled about 8550....a 170 point "jump." (I also believe Garland had two 8500+ decathlons in a row, both in which he was 100%+ over the sum of his pre-meet PRs... amazing progress at a very high level at such a young age).

[Davidokun]

Simple projections for the Hypomeeting Götzis decathlon, based on summing scores for season-best performances. If the decathlete has not yet established a season best in a discipline, then I used his season-best performance from the previous year, and so on. Corrections are welcome.

As always, the primary purpose of these projections is to enhance the fan experience by providing some insight into the actual leaders, who may or may not top the leaderboard early in the competition.

Projected Rank	Athlete	Federation	Projected Score
1	Damian Warner	Canada	8829
2	Pierce LePage	Canada	8701
3	Lindon Victor	Grenada	8639
4	Sander Aae Skotheim	Norway	8637
5	Karel Tilga	Estonia	8605
6	Simon Ehammer	Switzerland	8455
7	Manuel Eitel	Germany	8338
8	Makenson Gletty	France	8289
9	Daniel Golubovic	Australia	8263
10	Ondřej Kopecký	Czechia	8255
11	Marcus Nilsson	Sweden	8223
12	Cedric Dubler	Australia	8215
13	Edgaras Benkunskas	Lithuania	8213
14	Finley Gaio	Switzerland	8182
15	Jente Hauttekeete	Belgium	8178
16	Sven Roosen	Netherlands	8177
17	Kendrick Thompson	Bahamas	8160
18	Ken Mullings	Bahamas	8147
19	Fredrik Samuelsson	Sweden	8099
20	Tim Nowak	Germany	8096
21	Marcel Meyer	Germany	8057
22	Devon Williams	USA	8044
23	Ashley Moloney	Australia	8012
24	Niels Pittomvils	Belgium	7949
25	Alexandros Spyridonidis	Greece	7922
26	Paweł Wiesiołek	Poland	7901
27	Yan Carlos Hernández	Cuba	7892
28	Nathaniel Mechler	Canada	7789
29	Áris-Nikólaos Peristéris	Greece	7356