Multi-events 2023

[Vault-emort]

I can't help think about something JJK and Anna have in common, great 400H chops!

Lots of heptathletes had promise at 400H (Glynis Nunn who beat JJK in LA was another) but I'm not sure any of them took the event too seriously.

Debbie Flintoff-King who won 400H Gold in Seoul started off her career as a heptathlete. There might be others.

[Revenant]

Monica Westen moved from mutli events to 400mh. But check my spelling.

[DET59]

Dec turning into a battle, if AH has a decent LJ the Hep turning into a coronation...

With all the talk about AH and the 400IH (she was 5th on the US list in 2922) she is now the USA's 2nd best high jumper.

Again thanks David for incredible updates all day! So if I'm reading the charts right, something like a 6.6, 44m, 2:03 will make Hall the No 2 heptathlete of all-time behind JJK ? Will this also make her the highest scoring heptathlete ever with the 'new rules' (now 24 years old) javelin?

[Vault-emort]

Will this also make her the highest scoring heptathlete ever with the 'new rules' (now 24 years old) javelin?

Probably. Also can't be too many heptathletes in history at a 6700+ (even 6500) standard who can improve by about 300 points in one comp. 800 points in two years is pretty unbelievable too.

[Davidokun]

Again thanks David for incredible updates all day! So if I'm reading the charts right, something like a 6.6, 44m, 2:03 will make Hall the No 2 heptathlete of all-time behind JJK ? Will this also make her the highest scoring heptathlete ever with the 'new rules' (now 24 years old) javelin?

You're very welcome. I need a nap, but the LA Grand Prix field events begin soon, so no rest for the sleepy.

4172 plus 6.60 (21-8), 44.35 (145-6), and 2:03 would add up to 7033, one more than Carolina Kluft's best. For what it's worth, yes, this would give her the highest score with the new javelin.

[1runner1]

You're very welcome. I need a nap, but the LA Grand Prix field events begin soon, so no rest for the sleepy.

4172 plus 6.60 (21-8), 44.35 (145-6), and 2:03 would add up to 7033, one more than Carolina Kluft's best. For what it's worth, yes, this would give her the highest score with the new javelin.

And, as I said last year, a definite threat to break the WR in Paris '24!

[DET59]

For what it's worth, yes, this would give her the highest score with the new javelin.

Always a pet peeve of mine, no record adjustments seem to be made for the reduced distances in the multis. On the men's side Trey Hardee should be in the all-time top 10 passing Daley Thompson's old rules PR. Of course for what it's worth (I'd say 50+/- points) on the women's side- until some gets over, let's say 7200, it really doesn't matter. JJK put the record in the Stratosphere...

[DET59]

And, as I said last year, a definite threat to break the WR in Paris '24!

As much as I'd love to see that, I think it will take AH a little longer to mature and develop into a consistent thrower in the 15.5+ 50+ range that she'll need to be to challenge JJK... It would be an amazing thing to do at a "home meet" LA 28 Olympics to win gold and break JJK's record at age 27

[gm]

Always a pet peeve of mine, no record adjustments seem to be made for the reduced distances in the multis. On the men's side Trey Hardee should be in the all-time top 10 passing Daley Thompson's old rules PR. Of course for what it's worth (I'd say 50+/- points) on the women's side- until some gets over, let's say 7200, it really doesn't matter. JJK put the record in the Stratosphere...

Thing is, we don't really know how much of a difference, if any, the "new" jav made. I had a couple of pretty decent guys who threw farther with the new men's jav than they did with the old model.

[DET59]

Thing is, we don't really know how much of a difference, if any, the "new" jav made. I had a couple of pretty decent guys who threw farther with the new men's jav than they did with the old model.

As someone who threw both and was around a lot of throwers at the time, I feel there was a big difference in the men's open javelin, and a smaller but significant difference for multieventers. Harder to say for women as the long "old jave" throws happened in the limited
PEDs testing era (like the womens SP and DT) and the best "new" throws have been this century.

Statistically, there clearly was an advantage for both men and women with the old rules, and that advantage diminishes, particularly in the women's multis, as the length of throws goes down. A 6-6800 heptathlete with a weaker 40-45 meter jave and not great technique probably would just foul a lot more with the old rules, but a thrower like Thiam, with a 59m PR, would probably score 50+/- points with the old rules jave and technique in my opinion.

I just think 11th ranked Trey Hardee's score is better than Daley Thompson's... at the same time if someone came within 10 points of JJK's 'old rules' record and was given it (deservedly) as a new WR it would be very Roger Maris-like.

[Davidokun]

Update after 110 hurdles

Projected Rank	Athlete	Projected Score	Difference from Initial Projection
1	Warner	8664	-165
2	LePage	8647	-54
3	Skotheim	8615	-22
4	Tilga	8580	-25
5	Victor	8411	-228
6	Eitel	8348	+10
7	Golubovic	8286	+23
8	Gletty	8279	-10
9	Moloney	8264	+252
10	Roosen	8205	+28
11	Kopecký	8193	-62
12	Hauttekeete	8158	-20
13	Dubler	8131	-84
14	Mullings	8123	-24
15	Thompson	8116	-44
16	Samuelsson	8109	+10
17	Meyer	8105	+48
18	Gaio	8100	-82
19	Nowak	8041	-55
20	Wiesiołek	8001	+100
21	Benkunskas	7999	-214
22	Williams	7976	-68
23	Pittomvils	7940	-9
24	Spyridonidis	7819	-103
25	Hernández	7747	-145
26	Peristéris	7274	-82

[Vault-emort]

Hall continuing the meet of her life with a LJ PB of 6.54m in her first attempt. She must have had the good sleep she was craving.

[Davidokun]

Update after discus throw

Projected Rank	Athlete	Projected Score	Difference from Initial Projection
1	Warner	8638	-191
2	LePage	8626	-75
3	Skotheim	8578	-59
4	Tilga	8505	-100
5	Victor	8432	-207
6	Eitel	8325	-13
7	Golubovic	8262	-1
8	Gletty	8251	-38
9	Roosen	8229	+52
10	Thompson	8210	+50
11	Hauttekeete	8193	+15
12	Moloney	8182	+170
13	Samuelsson	8151	+52
14	Kopecký	8150	-105
15	Mullings	8120	-27
16	Dubler	8094	-121
17	Meyer	8060	+3
18	Gaio	8056	-126
19	Benkunskas	8010	-203
20	Williams	7964	-80
21	Wiesiołek	7946	+45
22	Pittomvils	7903	-46
23	Spyridonidis	7870	-52
24	Nowak	7818	-278
25	Hernández	7663	-229
26	Peristéris	7257	-99

[Powell]

Hall continuing the meet of her life with a LJ PB of 6.54m in her first attempt. She must have had the good sleep she was craving.

She jumped 6.51 on second attempt without even touching the board. She looks capable of going 6.80 if she gets things right.

Sułek saved herself with 6.29 after two fouls, but TBH none of her jumps looked very good today. The NR looks out of reach now, but she should still be ok for second place.

[Davidokun]

Update after heptathlon long jump (Vetter DNS; Brooks, Rodríguez NM)

Projected Rank	Athlete	Projected Score	Difference from Initial Projection
1	Hall	6990	+81
2	Sułek	6604	-161
3	Johnson-Thompson	6538	+104
4	Vanninen	6434	+59
5	Schäfer	6363	+163
6	Weißenberg	6339	+58
7	Dokter	6324	+23
8	Koščak	6321	+113
9	Kunz	6233	+189
10	O'Dowda	6229	+43
11	Loban	6138	+117
12	Ligarska	6118	-305
13	Esselink	6086	+110
14	Albisser	6067	+172
15	Ellenwood	6021	-69
16	Schuler	5986	+198
17	Grimm	5960	-10
18	Lagger	5955	-69
19	Crase	5940	-20
20	Posch	5897	+217
21	Obermaier	5705	-153
22	Patterson	5701	-445
23	Röthlin	5641	-264