Multi-events 2023

[Fortius19]

Regarding JJK's PRs sum, one interview she was asked about her potential best score. She replied that she and BK thought she could score 7300-7400.

I remember this well as it is the first question I would ask if interviewing her and I had never seen it asked before.

[DET59]

Regarding JJK's PRs sum, one interview she was asked about her potential best score. She replied that she and BK thought she could score 7300-7400.

I remember this well as it is the first question I would ask if interviewing her and I had never seen it asked before.

When you consider until age 22 she was also a NCAA D1 basketball player, and she also competed in individual event; I also would be curious what she could have done as a 'full-time' heptathlete who had started younger? Probably better HJ technique and more consistent javelin that might have appraoched 60 meters.

[Davidokun]

Great stuff, David! Excellent event by event analysis! I'm betting my $100 on Annie Kunz to score Over 6044 points!

Pay the man!

[steveu]

Joyner WR marks vs Hall PR marks

100mH	12.69	12.75	-10
HJ	1.86	1.92	+78
SP	15.80	13.90	-128
200M	22.56	22.88	-32
LJ	7.27	6.54	-244
JT	45.66	43.08	-50
800m	2:08.51	2:02.97	+83
Total	7291	6988	-303

Man, that table really lays out those scoring differences. I can certainly imagine Hall continuing to improve, but it's not easy to imagine her improving her shot and long jump that much. Maybe she can keep making up ground in the other 5 events.

[Revenant]

Man, that table really lays out those scoring differences. I can certainly imagine Hall continuing to improve, but it's not easy to imagine her improving her shot and long jump that much. Maybe she can keep making up ground in the other 5 events.

She needs to determine where to focus her efforts and what is going to reward her with the most points. It's unlikely she'll be a 15m+ shot putter without physical changes, & those changes required will probably detract from other events such as the HJ (Thiam is a rare breed having such a great SP & HJ). I think she can get to mid to high 14's quite easily enough without messing with her weight & speed, and a 14.5 get's her another 40 pts.

If she get's the next height in the HJ, then 1.95 get's her another 39 pts. I think that is doable alongside a mid 14's in the SP. So that's 79 pts clawed back.

The LJ certainly sticks out. We know she had some board trouble, and the difference between 6.54 and the 6.74 she is capable of right now, is 65 pts. If she could do 6.9 in the future - certainly possible - she gains 119 pts on the 6.54 she jumped here. She'll never do a 7.2+.

So with a 1.95 HJ (30pts) ; a 14.50 SP (40pts) & a 6.9 LJ (119 pts) she gains 198 pts on her score here, which would take her to 7186. The other event she can make obvious & realistic gains from is the JT. A 43.08 is average to poor nowadays for a heptathlete. If she could get to over 48m, that would be a huge help. A 48.50 would get her another 105 pts....which would take her total to 7291 😁😁

That would be my layman's advice. Some tweaking to the HJ & SP, but put focus on the LJ & JT technically. She needs to keep her speed, fitness and lightness (weight) because her power to weight ratio is perfect for her strongest events (100h, HJ, 200m & 800m). And I repeat, she needs to stop messing about with the 400mh now, coz time spent doing that could be time spent bettering her JT technique. 400mh isn't going to get those points back in the SP, HJ, LJ & JT....

[ZazaShoya]

She needs to determine where to focus her efforts and what is going to reward her with the most points. It's unlikely she'll be a 15m+ shot putter without physical changes, & those changes required will probably detract from other events such as the HJ (Thiam is a rare breed having such a great SP & HJ).

Not sure about that. At the moment we see Garland faring quite well with the two events and before him Pappas, Hingsen, Motti ... For the women Skujyte was a top-class SPer and yet a very handy HJer, and actually all the > 7000 were almost at least > 1m90 and > 15m (Nikitina 1m89).

[DET59]

Not sure about that. At the moment we see Garland faring quite well with the two events and before him Pappas, Hingsen, Motti ... For the women Skujyte was a top-class SPer and yet a very handy HJer, and actually all the > 7000 were almost at least > 1m90 and > 15m (Nikitina 1m89).

I'd like to see her use use her 400h training time to master the rotational shot, I think she could "spin" 15+ by 2028 as well as throw 50m in the jave with a real run up and correct technique. She doesn't need to mess with the other 5 events other than a few LJ tweaks.

[Vault-emort]

Anyone know what happened to Moloney ?

It turns out it was food poisoning.

[Atticus]

She doesn't need to mess with the other 5 events other than a few LJ tweaks.

The amount of training time necessary to run a 2:02 is phenomenal!

[Revenant]

Skujyte was a top-class SPer and yet a very handy HJer, and actually all the > 7000 were almost at least > 1m90 and > 15m (Nikitina 1m89).

Skujyte may have been a good putter and jumper, but she wasn't fast over 100mh, the 200m or the 800m. She isn't comparable.

On the 7000 women, I disagree.

Nikitina wasn't a 1.9+ jumper, and only once jumped 1.89, the year before she failed a dope test. She was in fact a low-to-mid 1.8 jumper. She was a great SPer though, but again, like Skujyte, she wasn't fast over 100mh, 200m or 800m.

Kluft threw (only just) over 15m twice in her whole career, her standard was mid 14s. And when she did throw 15.02 and 15.05, she actually never jumped over 1.9 in the same meet. In Helsinki 2005 she went 15.02 & 1.82 and in Gotzis 2006 she went 15.05 & 1.88. In fact in 2005 her SP level was high 13's to low 14s whilst her HJ was mid 1.8s and in 2006 she was high 1.8's and mid 14s.

The only woman that has done over 1.9, high 15s at the same meet, and had the speed like Hall is JJK. And that's the point. To be fast like Hall is over the running events, and be able to jump over 1.9 and throw high 15's is extremely rare/kinda impossible unless you competed in the 1980's...

So, pour moi, ditch thinking you can throw over 15m without affecting your other, best events, and do the technical work needed to improve the JT & LJ.

[dupontred]

I'd like to see her use use her 400h training time to master the rotational shot, I think she could "spin" 15+ by 2028 as well as throw 50m in the jave with a real run up and correct technique. She doesn't need to mess with the other 5 events other than a few LJ tweaks.

Give her two weeks training with Crouser or Kovacs and she could get to14.5 easily I think.

[DET59]

Give her two weeks training with Crouser or Kovacs and she could get to14.5 easily I think.

Lol, there's a very long learning curve with the spin, compounded by "fear of fouling" in the multis with only 3 throws instead if six. That's why I said 2028.

[DET59]

If you hadn't seen it yet, nice interview with Anna Hall after finishing 3rd in the Florence Diamon League 400IH with a PR 54.42...

Right now she No.1 in the world in the Hep, and No.5 in the 400IH. I love her attitude- as racing the 400IH to her is a fun, alternative endurance workout after taking a week off from Gotzis. She stated a modest (for her) goal, to make the Diamond League 400IH Final (which is in Sept in Eugene, 3 weeks after WC's) .She's not far off from a podium...a 53 point something has medaled at every Oylmpics but one (2020).

At only 22 I hope she continnues to "have fun," and not over-train or get injured. She will also have a chance to make history as the first multi-eventer to either make an Olmypic/WC final or podium in a non-multi individual event. (may have to add- "in the last hundred years", as there were some weird non-multi events in early Olympics- standing broad jump, standng high jump, tug of war, etc).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyPMuNVrr8

[26mi235]

.She's not far off from a podium...a 53 point something has medaled at every Oylmpics but one (2020).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyPMuNVrr8

The event is on a different plain than in 2016 and before, the fields are much deeper and much better at the top as well (look at the all time list and see how few marks are from before 2019 much less 2016 and before. 54 is now pretty good, but with times in the 50s and 51s range 54 is about as close in the 400h as 6300 points is in the Hept. There certainly is the potential for big gains since she has run seldom in a technically difficult event that was not really on the radar a year back and that Hept 2:02 likely means that she will fade less in the last 80 meters. Her chances of medaling are much lower in the 400h although it might help her get a second medal in the relays.

[Davidokun]

Stadtwerke Ratingen Mehrkampf-Meeting 2023 is this coming weekend. Entry lists are available. Leaders:

Heptathlon

Carolin Schäfer	Germany
Verena Mayr	Austria
Emma Oosterwegel	Netherlands
Sophie Weißenberg	Germany
Vanessa Grimm	Germany
Georgia Ellenwood	Canada
Kate O'Connor	Ireland
Esther Turpin	France
Marijke Esselink	Netherlands
Shaina Burns	USA
Tori West	Australia
Taneille Crase	Australia

.
Nafissatou Thiam (Belgium) will be a guest competitor in selected disciplines.

Decathlon

Niklas Kaul	Germany
Thomas van der Plaetsen	Belgium
Adam Sebastian Helcelet	Czechia
Jorge Ureña	Spain
Ondřej Kopecký	Czechia
Kristjan Rosenberg	Estonia
Rik Taam	Netherlands
Tim Nowak	Germany
Felix Wolter	Germany
Risto Lillemets	Estonia