WHAT THE HELL DID FASUBA RUN FOR THAT 60 ???

[eldrick]

leg..it

i said fasuba was potentially the best 100 runner in history - he is by ar the youngest <9.85 guy ever & his 9.84 appears no fluke as he had a 9.92 heat earlier & that to me indicates amazing strength, as normally a "60 only" guy who ran 9.92 with his previous pb being ? 10.09, wouda been shot after that huge pb

to still find even more strength 1 or 2 hours later to take it down to 9.84 is frankly stunning
( i remember monty saying after his 9.78 that his feet hurt so much from the pounding they took in hitting the track so hard in running so fast, that he coud only hobble around for the next 2 days - i imagine fasu may have felt similarly after his 9.92 heat, but still went even faster later ! ) - same obviously goes for gatlin, but he already had fast runs before & so more used to it

as for all the achievements of the mo's,King's,frankie's, etc, off-course i respect them, but they are the past & i'm alwayz looking for the new "King" - i'm interested in the present & future - we have a historical board for the ole-timers

as for doha being acknowledged as the "fastest" track in the world - i just looked here:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

& until friday, coudn't even go low enough on the list to find the previous track record ?!

funny that, until friday, i thought athens was the fastest sprint track in the world

[Dietmar239]

Will Fasuba show up in Gateshead? Where is his next race slated?

[eldrick]

He's not moronic at all, in fact he's very bright AND stubbornly dogmatic. He's flat out wrong a lot. He's got formulas to tell you what runners are "supposed" to run., yet they never comply. Don't you dare tell him the facts of Kenyan climatology. ;-)

err...

for the best part of 1y, the general consensus around here has been :

"safa is the fastest 1-off race runner & gatlin the better rounds/championship runner"

i was one of the few who disagreed, saying : "no, gatlin can have it all - fastest rounds/champs runner & fastest 1-off race runner ( i.e. the wr )"

( taf - i believe you owe me an apology )

the suggested "proof" ?

- safa's 9.77 ( including good rt ) was a 9.84 basic

- gatlin's 9.85 og, had a derisory rt of 0.188s : i said if you give him the same rt as for safa & convert then to a basic time, he comes out with a 9.84 basic as well

so safa's 9.77 & gatlin's 9.85 boil down to the same basic if you take into account rts & therefore gatlin can run the wr with good rt

( as for kenyans - they win maybe 50% of all city marathons of note - if you believe everyone of those wins were under the same weather conditions... )

[high knees]

Eldrick, do you pay attention or do you just like to hear yourself think? What I said was, that EVERYONES stride frequency decreases at the bottom end of the 100 and that stride length becomes the determining factor. Obviously, if stride length is the determining factor, then an indivdual with a greater stride length (as relates to trochanter length) will have an advantange at the end of races. This is why you see taller athletes (usually taller relates to longer legs) making moves from the middle to the end of races a la Carl Lewis. Here's an equation for you, since you're so smart, you should already know that mv=sl x sf, so if the sf is 5.0 and the sl is 2.35 for one athlete (shorter legs) and the sf is 4.7 and the sl is 2.65 for the other (longer legs) and the sf decreases approx 7% and the sl increases approx. 5.5%, at the bottom end of the race (assuming neither is enhanced) then which is the fastest at the middle and end of the race? These are researched numbers btw...............

[bekeselassie]

Eldrick, do you pay attention or do you just like to hear yourself think?

My wife accuses me of never listening. Or something like that, I think. I'm not sure.

Anyway, as to your question, I don't believe it's his thinking eldy is listening to. I think he loves the sound of his computer making calculations. Or maybe it's the keystrokes that make sweet music to his ears.

[eldrick]

before i get into basic arithmetic ( & your numbers don't even add up - the mean speed of both short & tall runners have to be the same to start with ! ), first show me proof that the frequency of a tall guy falls of less than a short one

i like research...

[high knees]

again, DID YOU READ THE POST! Both sprinters have the same drop off in frequency........and for the numbers I was using acutal sl's and sf of 2 sprinters, tall/shorter to give you an example of what usually happens in a race. Even if the shorter sprinter gets to 30+ before the taller one, the maximal velocities are greater for the taller one and eventually he would catch up and pass..........if you like, leave the sl's the same (assumed that they are fixed secondary to trochanter length) and make the stride frequencies so that the mv's are the same both athletes and then do the math.........

[eldrick]

again, DID YOU READ THE POST! Both sprinters have the same drop off in frequency........and for the numbers I was using acutal sl's and sf of 2 sprinters, tall/shorter to give you an example of what usually happens in a race. Even if the shorter sprinter gets to 30+ before the taller one, the maximal velocities are greater for the taller one and eventually he would catch up and pass..........if you like, leave the sl's the same (assumed that they are fixed secondary to trochanter length) and make the stride frequencies so that the mv's are the same both athletes and then do the math.........

same drop in frequency ???

rubbish


maximal velocities for taller ones are greater ???

rubbish

[bekeselassie]

same drop in frequency ???

rubbish


maximal velocities for taller ones are greater ???

rubbish

I think he meant to say, "Bloody rubbish!"

[high knees]

eldrick.............do the math, this only works if you do the math and if you knew anything about sprinting, you would know that every sprinter has a drop in frequency at the bottom end of the 100......attend some seminars, do some reading of the scientific materials................learn, grow

[eldrick]

i can do my math & i do my reading, but unfortunately for you, you offer rubbish

offer me some scientific research

& while your doing it, offer me an explanation, based on your "unique" length/frequency theories of how it ends up with the "runts" dominating the 100 lists :

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/db/index.html

i'd luv to say to you to "learn , grow", but vegas odds suggest it just ain't going to happen...

[LegalizeIt]

Anyone who believes Fasuba to be the best 100 meter man in the World is an absolute moron.

I'm not going to even explain the reasoning for my statement, it's not even worth it.

Moronic, that's it. [/b]

(Sigh!) Another one?

I love these "grown" people that throw words like "moron" and "idiot" out there, indicating that they themselves are of some sort of superior intelligence that therefore puts them in a position to judge and deem others to be morons, idiots, stupid, or whatever.

LegalizeIt, grow up.

Sorry, Dad.


And just for the record, I'm calling the entire race into question, not just Fasuba particularly. I took issue with his potential greatness, but in my opinion, based on what some of my colleagues who were present (and one that ran in it) said about the race, that this may not be a legit record at all.