Webb Best American Ever At 15/5/10

[gh]

See compilation of top 5 ever on front page

[bad hammy]

GOAT! (smiley emoticon)

[SQUACKEE]

I wonder how Webb would fare on the world list? Me thinks Geb is tops until Bek runs a quality 1500. Komen?

[gh]

Aouita?

[SQUACKEE]

Based on time-

Keb- 26:22+12:39+3:48= 42:49

Bek-26:17+12:37+4:00?= 42:54 So Bek just needs a 3:54 for best

Webb-27:34+13:10+3:48=44:32

I think my math is right?

[kling]

GOAT! (smiley emoticon)

GAOAT ???

[gh]

Doing things on addition of time has a huge inherent flaw; the longer distance gains more value.

To use a reductio ad absurdum, if you were calculating the best combo 100/10,000 guys ever and you had one at 9.90 and 31:00 (31:09.00) and the other guy at 10.90 and 30:55 (31:05.90), which one is the better athlete?

[SQUACKEE]

Doing things on addition of time has a huge inherent flaw; the longer distance gains more value.

To use a reductio ad absurdum, if you were calculating the best combo 100/10,000 guys ever and you had one at 9.90 and 31:00 (31:09.00) and the other guy at 10.90 and 30:55 (31:05.90), which one is the better athlete?

I understand completely but wouldnt Keb win no matter how you did it?

[26mi235]

At this point, with a 3:31, I think that Geb has to be ahead of KB because the 5000 and 10000 are not too different. Presumably in this you should use either the 1500 or the mile whichever is better for the athlete. I do not know what the others have run, but for most I think that the 1500 is better for those running now (Webb's mile is ~.50 better than his 1500).

It seems to me that the 3000 should be added to this list, and everyone should have at least one competitive 3000 (or the 2-mile proxy).

[edited based on the list supplied below.]

[mcgato]

Yawn. I posted this on letsrun on May 2:
Based on the long lists at:
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/

The only people listed on the 1500, 5000, and 10000 are the following (with 1500, mile, 5000, 10000 times):
Haile Gebrselassie : 3:33.73 / 3:52.39 / 12:39.36 / 26:22.75 (marathon: 2:06:20)
Salah Hissou : 3:33.95 / 3:52.54 / 12:50.80 / 26:38.08
Yobes Ondieki : 3:34.36 / n/a / 13:01.82 / 26:58.38
Daniel Komen : 3:29.46 / 3:46.38 / 12:39.74 / 27:38.32
Dieter Baumann : 3:33.51 / 3:51.12 / 12:54.70 / 27:21.53
Saïd Aouita : 3:29.46 / 3:46.76 / 12:58.39 / 27:26.11 (800: 1:43.86)
Mohammed Amyn : 3:34.81 / 3:52.66 / 13:01.98 / 27:22.67
Alan Webb : 3:32.52 / 3:48.92 / 13:10.86 / 27:34.72
Craig Mottram : 3:34.80 / 3:48.98 / 12:55.76 / 27:50.55
Mark Carroll : 3:34.91 / 3:50.62 / 13:03.93 / 27:46.82
Stefano Mei : 3:34.57 / n/a / 13:11.57 / 27:43.97
Frank O'Mara : 3:34.02 / 3:51.06 / 13:13.02 / 27:58.01

Good to see TFN is quick to figure these things out.

[gh]

gee, we didnt' know we were in a race!

[Daisy]

gee, we didnt' know we were in a race!

hasn't eldrick done this a hundred times already?

[mcgato]

Immediately after Webb ran his fast 10,000 the question came up of how many others have run as fast at 15, 5, and 10. It was a pretty obvious question. I just spent about 25 minutes on easily accessible web resources and came up with a pretty good answer. Maybe I could assist your statisticial editor in the future.

[Daisy]

Immediately after Webb ran his fast 10,000 the question came up of how many others have run as fast at 15, 5, and 10.

Could it be that not everyone is Webb obsessed?

[26mi235]

Using the IAAF tables to aggregate the times is a useful step. Again, can someone do it including the 3000?