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  • Janowska breaks steeplechase WR!

    Well, actually it's a World Best, since 2000m SC is not officially recognized by IAAF, but anyway - today in Gdansk, she ran 6:03.38, which is 1.08 faster than Dorcus Inzikuru ran last year.
    Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

  • #2
    Good news, but why are they still running 2000st??

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    • #3
      I thought she had broke the 3K Steeple WR for a moment - the event is still new, but someone really should've have broken 8:55 by now [they haven't even broken 9:00] - someone wake me up when they do

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      • #4
        i can't find samitova's 2k split en-route to her 9'01,but obviously likely to have been ~ 6'00 flat ( then again an en-route 2k is timed at start of last curve, whereas an actual 2k finishes at the finish line - not sure if that makes any difference - need to see layout of barriers/water jumps on a lap )

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eldrick
          i can't find samitova's 2k split en-route to her 9'01,but obviously likely to have been ~ 6'00 flat ( then again an en-route 2k is timed at start of last curve, whereas an actual 2k finishes at the finish line - not sure if that makes any difference - need to see layout of barriers/water jumps on a lap )
          Samitova's split was 5:59.4. Obviously an intrinsically superior performance, but it wouldn't count, since, as you noticed, the setup is a bit different.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by trackworld
            the event is still new, but someone really should've have broken 8:55 by now
            8:55? For that, you'd need a woman who can run 8:25 on the flat AND can hurdle well. Good luck looking for one.
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            • #7
              A few other results from the same meet:

              Women's DT: Wioletta Potepa 65.24, Joanna Wisniewska 62.34
              Women's LJ: Malgorzata Trybanska 6.69 PB
              Men's 400: Rafal Wieruszewski 45.70, Piotr Rysiukiewicz 45.87
              Men's 100: Marcin Jedrusinski 10.35
              Women's PV: Roza Kasprzak 4.41
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Powell
                Originally posted by trackworld
                the event is still new, but someone really should've have broken 8:55 by now
                8:55? For that, you'd need a woman who can run 8:25 on the flat AND can hurdle well. Good luck looking for one.
                If Jo Pavey hadn't been so injury prone, she'd probably have been able to do it.

                Wigene should get down to 8:30ish this year and has the NOR steeple record of 9:45 while still a 9:12ish girl over the flat.

                Maybe some of the taller 'thopys might give it a go... not sure though since their men have never taken up the 'chase seriously.

                Okninska?! She has been close to 8:30 over the flat.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by andyjgt
                  If Jo Pavey hadn't been so injury prone, she'd probably have been able to do it.

                  Wigene should get down to 8:30ish this year and has the NOR steeple record of 9:45 while still a 9:12ish girl over the flat.

                  Maybe some of the taller 'thopys might give it a go... not sure though since their men have never taken up the 'chase seriously.

                  Okninska?! She has been close to 8:30 over the flat.
                  None of them has run close to 8:25 OR has shown great hurdling ability (or even tried to learn to hurdle). Even if they all got seriously into SC, I'd say Samitova's record would be safe, let alone 9:01.

                  The best women who currently compete in SC (Janowska and Turova) can possibly get to around 9:10, but I don't see them running much faster.
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                  • #10
                    Considering the best male steeplechasers are Kenyan, and the best female long distance runners behind the Ethiopians are possibly Kenyan, then it stands to reason that at some point in the near future when Kenya takes this even seriously the record will be quite a bit lower
                    "If Gaby worked as hard with the weights as she did with her tongue she'd have a different concept of beauty. To get performances like mine, she'd have to sacrifice some of her good looks. The women of the west dont work as hard as we do" JK

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Andrea_T
                      it stands to reason that at some point in the near future when Kenya takes this even seriously the record will be quite a bit lower
                      Eventually, perhaps, but right now they don't really have any woman fast enough on the flat to run faster than 9:01 over the barriers.
                      The current WR may last a while. I'm sure that in a few years times in the 9:10-9:20 range will become commonplace, but 9:01 is tough.
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                      • #12
                        Eldrick wrote "need to see layout of barriers/ water jumps on a lap."
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                        http://www.steeplechics.com/facequip.php?drawing=3

                        When runners have covered 2000m during a 3000m steeplechase, they may not have negotiated five water jumps as required for a 2000m steeple. So the 2km split would not better a regular 2km steeple best.

                        Another poster asked why "they" [female steeplers?] run a 2000m steeple. There are many reasons ranging from athletes age and development vs. capacity for 23 barriers instead of 35 -- to the fact that 2000m steeple is the championship distance for certain age groups in many nations.

                        Both male and female athletes run 1500m and 2000m steeples elsewhere. In some nations there'e even a 1000m steeple (10 barriers, same as the one-lap hurdle race in lanes) for young athletes.

                        As to that 9-minute barrier for women's 3000m steeple, be assured they are closing in on that much faster than did men after steepling became an Olympic event for males. Watching results will reveal that there are many men steeplers today who can't better the times made by sub-10 female steeplers.

                        Some observers have suggested that sub-9 minute times will come when the event is taken up by women with 3000m flat race times well below 9 minutes -- or times near 4 minutes for 1500m run. However, that change of event requires also some specialized training to develop steeple-specific skills and "barrier endurance."

                        Further, an elite runner is not likely to abandon the good money available in flat races to compete in steeple for which there are now less opportunities for either cash or accumulating points for invitation to meets like World Athletics Final.

                        (Most of USA top lady steeplers are now traveling abroad for racing opportunities because they have not been able to get their event added, ever, to GP and similar big open meets held in USA. Such meets, without heats, enable faster times and higher rankings. Interestingly, no nation currently has more women steeplers than USA in the IAAF Top 25 Ranking, a criterion for the new professional league.)

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