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  • Pietro Mennea ran his 19.72......

    .......in 1979. Ok let's say there was no Michael Johnson. Let's take him and Frankie out of the mix. I doubt Fredericks runs his sub 19.70 without chasing MJ.

    2006 would have been the year that Mennea's record was finally broken. That's a long time! It took 27 years to go from 19.72 to 19.63. Do we really expect 19.52 then 19.42 then 19.31 to be different? Why? Remember we have no MJ to use as a barometer. A 19.6 is a long long way from a 19.3. That's like a 10.30 guy running a 10.00.

    It's great to see the 200 back in the spotlight. And yes these 19.6's/19.70's are great. I do think a 19.57-9 isn't too far away. A 19.40? A 19.31....hmmmm? I've seen a lot of track over the last...hmmm...40 some years. I've never seen anything like that Atlanta blaze in 96. Sorry Bullet, sorry Tommie. It was something very special. Something soooooo far out there, sooooo off the charts, that it leaves the relm of an athlectic performance and into the relm of the supernatural. I'm dead serious! I have a book .."Incredible Athlectic Feats"....here we find those oddities and things like Dale Cummings and his 14,000 plus situps, it took him 12 hours. A book of stuff like that. Well 19.32 belongs. It's in that category. The only track & field record I can say that about (Michael Carter's hs shot record?). They all will be broken, all but that 19.32. Ok ok I'll back off that a bit. "If" it is broken, it will not be in the next 30 years (unless some drug comes along that can't be detected) I'm figuring we won't be seeing many sub 19.6's. Sub 19.4's....nay.....that's a long way off.

    I feel strange typing...sub 19.4's...that's how amazing that night in Atlanta in 96 was.

    Here it is 10 years after the blur and we are talking sub 19.7's. Trust me, it will be a long, long time before we start talking sub 19.4's.

  • #2
    Maybe. But we've just seen the X-man run a 19.6 after a previous best of ??? In the next few years if he specializes in the 2 and loses his football weight we should be seeing a sub 19.5 and who knows how fast he can go.

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    • #3
      if King had run hard to the line back in '83, he wouda gone < 19.7, perhaps even mid-19.6, so mennea's record shouda properly lasted just 4y

      marsh couda possibly erased that in '92, so in reality, mennea's record survived more thru luck than anything else

      one other point : mj's "basic" time converts to 19.38

      wally just ran an unchallenged 19.65 which converts to 19.66 basic : that's 0.28s off mj & considering terminal speeds at end of a 200 ( ~ 10m/s ), that gets him within 3m of mj

      now consider that the strength of wally's race is his finish & in this korean race he had absolutely no competition - if he had a x--man/tyson/bolt in that race to challenge him, i think wally was good for another 0.1s off that : that's getting him with 0.2s or 2m of mj

      19.32 is by no means as far away as it used to be...

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      • #4
        Also, several runners have probably recorded marks superiod to PM's. I thinnk his was at altitude and he was not called for running on the lane line, which cuts off several inches (up to 8, or 20cm). My impression is that his mark is worth no better than a 19.90 "basic", and at worse should have been a DQ (no mark at all).

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        • #5
          jrm gives it as 20.02, which is consistent with his sea-level bests of :

          19.96 ±0.0 Pietro Mennea ITA 28.06.52 1r2 Barletta 17.08.1980

          20.01 ±0.0 Pietro Mennea ITA 28.06.52 1r2 Roma 05.08.1980

          ( both above venues below 30m )

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          • #6
            but to be fair you cant compare the quality/speed of those 70s tracks with todays.
            ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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            • #7
              Basic schmasic, he ran out of his lane, someboy else could have run faster - if he'd tried. Its not that fast when you look at it from this other angle. If my Uncle was a women he'd be my Aunt. If Ryan hadn't have fallen he'd have won.

              What a load of crap.

              19.72 stood for a long time. In that time no one ran faster.

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              • #8
                I hope you are not responding to my post.. I was simply trying to give Mennea's sea level 20flat circa late 70s performances their proper place relative to the 90s sub 20s... besides the track differences there are other advantages that 90s sprinters enjoyed.
                ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paulthefan
                  I hope you are not responding to my post.. I was simply trying to give Mennea's sea level 20flat circa late 70s performances their proper place relative to the 90s sub 20s... besides the track differences there are other advantages that 90s sprinters enjoyed.
                  Yes, but the time-related factors are a primary reason why we expect records to be broken with some regularity and if they are not, then we have a notable record and/or a discipline that is "stagnet" (unfortunately, many records of note are the result of assistance that is not so easily obtained now). The comment on PM's mark is that, intrinsically, it was not so good and there were a number of superior performances.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by paulthefan
                    I hope you are not responding to my post.. I was simply trying to give Mennea's sea level 20flat circa late 70s performances their proper place relative to the 90s sub 20s... besides the track differences there are other advantages that 90s sprinters enjoyed.
                    Simply putting someone in their "proper place"

                    Now, how about a quote from PaultheOlympicChamp?

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                    • #11
                      I just wanted to add this to the conversation: Most of these amazing 200m times were run with "relatively" no competition. That is to say that each athlete ran extremely relaxed with no one within a few metres of them.

                      Tommie Smith's 19.87 with his arms in the air = relaxed
                      Carl Lewis's 19.75 with his arms in the air = relaxed
                      Mike Marsh's 19.73 walking across the line = relaxed
                      MJ's 19.32 with Frankie way back = incredible, amazing but relaxed

                      Only saw the tail end of X-man's race but guessing he was chilling in the last 50m.
                      Read that Gay's 19.68 was run with no one around.
                      And then there is Spearmon's 19.65 solo run.

                      The only truly fast time I've seen under pressure was the '88 OG final where Joe Deloach and Carl were neck and neck and buckin' the last 10 metres. Deloach ran 19.75.

                      The point being that more often than not this kind of speed flows out of relaxation versus being pushed. I wouldn't adjust any of these new times with the theory being "if they had only been pushed". Undoubtedly, truly fast 200m times will be seen in non-championship meets and/or non-finals.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Novian
                        Only saw the tail end of X-man's race but guessing he was chilling in the last 50m
                        he was eyeballs out chasin down tyson

                        & mj in 19.32 ran petrified that ff may catch him

                        neither was "relaxed"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eldrick
                          Originally posted by Novian
                          Only saw the tail end of X-man's race but guessing he was chilling in the last 50m
                          he was eyeballs out chasin down tyson

                          & mj in 19.32 ran petrified that ff may catch him

                          neither was "relaxed"
                          C'mon Eldrick. I admitted I didn't fully see the Xman race. Whether or not mj was "petrified" is debatable at best. One thing is for certain, most sprinters would tell you that you don't run 19.32 "tight".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Novian
                            Originally posted by eldrick
                            Originally posted by Novian
                            Only saw the tail end of X-man's race but guessing he was chilling in the last 50m
                            he was eyeballs out chasin down tyson

                            & mj in 19.32 ran petrified that ff may catch him

                            neither was "relaxed"
                            C'mon Eldrick. I admitted I didn't fully see the Xman race. Whether or not mj was "petrified" is debatable at best. One thing is for certain, most sprinters would tell you that you don't run 19.32 "tight".
                            "petrified"??? LOL!

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                            • #15
                              well you guyz obviously missed the race a coupla months earlier in oslo where mj got whupped in oslo where for all his might he coudn't chase ff down from lane inside & took the 19.82 v 19.85 beating which inspired the 19.32

                              "scared wabbit"

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