Spangler As Recordsetter

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We could call all pigeons, ducks, and that would certainly be easier.

But they'd still be pigeons, not ducks.

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There's no problem - if there's no "Junior Record", there is still an "age 19 record", which should be just as prestigious. They're just not listed. There are many events where that's the case. To T&F outsiders, it looks foolish - but to fans, it shouldn't be a problem. (Now, if you want problems, WORLD Junior records maybe should be taken with grains of salt.... from 800m up, anyway..)

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Turns out that until around the early '90s, when they brought their rules into line with the track side, the LDR people did American Junior records based on age at time of race. If today's rules were applied (and they should be), Spangler would be de-listed as holder of the AJR.

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I understand the rationale for a calendar year definition of a Junior for track, as Garry explained: With prelimaries on different days than than finals, what happens when someone has a birthday in between?

But for road running there is no such problem. A road race takes place on a particular day. So for road running, why discriminate against kids born in December, and favor kids born in January? It seems to me the cost in terms of fairness is higher for road race records than the benefits of using the same definition of "junior" for both track and road.

But, sigh, they didn't ask me when they made these decisions . . . .

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None of these verbal double-plus speak machinations matter anyway. Here is the bottom line. She has the fastest female under 20 time for the marathon. Period. Full stop. If that doesn't happen to fit into an ever evolving definition of some other artificial calendar based definition of junior...who cares. Take it away from her then. It doesn't change the reality of what I described.

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There's no double-speak or machinations involved. Original statement was that she held the AJR and AMR simultaneously and that turned out not to be true.
QED

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>There's no double-speak or machinations involved.
>Original statement was that she held the AJR and
>AMR simultaneously and that turned out not to be
>true.
QED

Or not. I can't keep track given the statement below:

>Turns out that until around the early '90s, when
>they brought their rules into line with the track
>side, the LDR people did American Junior records
>based on age at time of race. If today's rules
>were applied (and they should be), Spangler would
>be de-listed as holder of the AJR.

Is that your opinion or a fact(that they should be)?

[dunes runner Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dunes runner]

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A junior means under age 20.

She ran the time at age 19.

So it's an age 19 record and it's the AJR.

Whether it's "approved" or not -- since she actually DID run the time and it's legitimate -- is apparently a control issue for some people.

In any case she ran the time at age 19 and that makes it the AJR.

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Not if she turned 20 in the calendar year, rules is rules

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Ducks are ducks.