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  • #16
    Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

    The question about a 23.9 200 speed and the ability to run 50.? is doable. I (15 years ago) had 23.8 200 speed and ran a 49.2 400 once. It just takes some of us a couple of hundred meters to get going. Also 1:48.79/3:42.8 combo per Tom's discussion. My 1500/Mile time was never as fast as it should have been (yet!).

    ty

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    • #17
      Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

      Didn't someone at one time figure out that the 'slowest' one could be at 800 meters, and still break 4 minutes in the mile, was around 1:51.5 or so? Makes sense. I think that you'd have to be at least 1:50 to be able to run a sub four. To run under 3:53(without drugs) you probably have to be 1:45 or better.

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      • #18
        Re: Gill a media invention

        >As for the article the paper will pretend
        >it never existed. They will not respond to your
        >letter.

        Well actually the writer did and I am having a conversation with him right now. I will keep you posted.

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        • #19
          Re: Gill a media invention

          It may be possible, but that basically means you're holding your full 200 speed for 400m, which is not trivial. I've run 21.9 for 200, but only 49.8 for 400.

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          • #20
            Re: 800 & Mile

            "It may be possible, but that basically means you're holding your full 200 speed for 400m, which is not trivial. I've run 21.9 for 200, but only 49.8 for 400."

            Nope 2 x 23.9 is 47.8 and I ran 3 secs slower than that at 50.8. I do consider my 400m time to be a better run / quality wise. Granted my training as much more condusive top 400m than 200m (I was actually a 800m runner at the time). Don't ask it didn't work out well.

            Anyway I'm now thinking tha if ever one of my 50 mile races comes down to the last 200m I'm ready (HA, HA).

            Anyway, Thanks El Supremo for coming to my aid.

            The slowest 800 PR for a sub four miler may be Alberto Salazar. Not 100% sure he ever got under 4:00 but I know he ran a couple right at it and I know he lists his 400 PR at 54 so he can't have run much better than a 1:52-1:54 800 (if that).
            Talk about a guy with crazy endurance but absolutely no speed. Anyone able to confirm Al's mile PR?

            - Peace

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            • #21
              Re: 800 & Mile

              Another guess might be Greg Meyer who ran an indoor mile back in 1978 in 3:59.

              Most probably remember him as a top marathoner in the 1980's (2:09 American) with a Boston win on his record.

              I can't imagine Greg has a stellar 800 PR.

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              • #22
                Re: 800 & Mile

                The slowest 800 PR for a sub four miler may be Alberto Salazar. Not 100% sure he ever got under 4:00 but I know he ran a couple right at it and I know he lists his 400 PR at 54 so he can't have run much better than a 1:52-1:54 800 (if that).
                Talk about a guy with crazy endurance but absolutely no speed. Anyone able to confirm Al's mile PR?<<

                About 4:01, I think.

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                • #23
                  Re: Gill a media invention

                  If you can run under 22 and only a 49, you are just too weak! College pr's- 100y 12.1, 220 y 24.1, 440 relay leg- 51.3. Mile- 4:31. I was slow and undertrained.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                    Hey Tom,

                    Probably a decent candidate for this is Mr Hesch. 1:55 PR at Fresno a few years back. He ran 3:40.0 to win the Cardinal Qualifier in 2001 6 weeks later and set his 1500 PR. I know we're talking a mile, but figure a 1500 is close. Try as he might, that's as fast as he can apparently go in the 800. All out 400's in practice get him 54/55 on a good day. Funky thing is, he has good, if not very good wheels. Just can't get it oiut of him for some goofy reason. This year Aeron ran 2:10 for her best 800 and ended up with a 4:18.1 which is similarly funky. I gotta do my homework on the 800. You have James Robinson's email?

                    Joe

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                    • #25
                      Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                      >Bob
                      >Kennedy comes to mind as a guy with a quick mile
                      >(3:56 I believe) but I don't recall him ever
                      >running a fast 800m. Maybe someone know his 800m
                      >best.

                      I'm betting that the last time he ran the 800 as a competitive race was his senior year in HS (1988). He won the district titles in the 1600, 800 and 3200 all in the same afternoon. I believe he ran on the 4x800 at the state meet that year but I can't say for sure off the top of my head. A trip to the library or a call to Westerville North HS could answer that one -- I once had the final 1988 issue of Ohio T&FN which had the state HS list but cleaned house a few years back. I highly doubt it was any faster than 1:55-1:56 because I was surprised he didn't run any faster; two weeks later he ran 4:05.13 all alone.

                      I've always thought Kennedy was better suited for the 10k than the 5k; the fact that he's even mentioned in this debate reinforces that belief.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                        well it depends if the miler is coming up from 400-600-800 has limited road work.stanley redwine,johnny gray,mark everett,ken lowery,,were all great sprint talents but i think they would run 15-17+ for 5k.it sounds like the guy is doing a nice strong fall program,nothing is going to matter except qualifying for trials and 3 rounds in july.

                        no one thought tom ohara would run a fast mile?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                          I dunno about slow 800m, but in Finland I recall we had a marathonrunner som 10 years ago that broke 4 minutes in the mile and did 2.12 in the marathon within a year. His performance in the 800m would have been closer to 1.51 at the time?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                            How about this series (not great but shows some speed endurance)?:
                            100 12.5
                            200 24.5
                            400 50.5
                            800 1.52
                            1500 3.48 close to a 4.05 mile
                            3000 8.15 indoor

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                            • #29
                              Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                              How about the range of Steve Ovett,

                              21.x 200 speed

                              1:02-1:03 Half Marathon Endurance.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Biggest Differential: 800/880 & Mile

                                >How about the range of Steve Ovett,

                                21.x 200
                                >speed

                                1:02-1:03 Half Marathon Endurance.

                                This ain't bad either:

                                http://www.roddixon.com/

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