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    >I don't spend that much time
    >talking about Webb.

    Yes, you actually do.

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    No..., are you.

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    >I think we all can agree that Webb is way behind
    >schedule.>

    Are you writing the schedule?

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    Webb Basher?

    I don't spend that much time talking about Webb.

    I spend a lot of time defending US milers like Lunn and Berryhill. Actually, Krummenacker is the one that really deserves that Nike contract.

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    >Whatever he has been doing the last
    >year is not working.

    Entirely inconclusive because not all the other variables remained the same or close to the same. He had a major medical problem that was probably having a significant affect on him all season. He could have done El G's training exactly but done no better since his body was busy fighting an internal battle on top of being punished through training.

    At least add the label "Webb Basher" to your name if that's all you're here to do.

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    >I think we all can agree that Webb is way behind
    >schedule. Whatever he has been doing the last
    >year is not working. I don't know if Webb or his
    >coach is too blame.

    Yes, he is behind what was expected and he was behind in '02 as well as '03. He had medical problems both years. Training related and nontraining related. Warhurst should definately shoulder some of the blame for '02. Workouts were not controlled and as mentioned in the book he pushes his athletes until he finds their limits - he found Webb's limits when Alan broke. That year he also found the limits of several other athletes in the same fashion.

    I know people are
    >going to say most top US milers don't mature
    >until they are 28 years old. That in itself is
    >another problem.

    No, unfortunately in the US most milers have been maturing at 23 and not heard from after college. It would be nice to have a US miler mature at 28 when they are at their physiological peak.

    I am really hoping Webb can pull it off this year. I am also hoping the rest of the crew starts putting it together as well - Stember, Lunn, Berryhill and yes, even Jennings. It would be nice to see several US guys hammering it out in the mid 3:30s.

    Of course, I think Webb is smart in doing what he's doing. And, in the real world Nike made an offer that he really couldn't refuse. Only time will tell if it pays off in his running - it has already paid off in his bank account.

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    I think we all can agree that Webb is way behind schedule. Whatever he has been doing the last year is not working. I don't know if Webb or his coach is too blame.

    Remember if Webb does not make the Olympics next year he will have to wait until his mid-twenties to qualify again. By then people will be saying "Webb who". The reason there are so many Webb posts on this and other forums is because people just can't understand how someone with Webb's talent can go into to such a professional decline. A 3:55 mile would be a disappointment, but he has not even run that fast in the last two years.

    I know people are going to say most top US milers don't mature until they are 28 years old. That in itself is another problem.

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    Maybe because that was the only athlete you brought up out of the others that had been mentioned already?

    I'm not talking
    >specifically, I'm talking within the context of
    >a larger debate. You are now talking about one
    >athlete and one coach which isn't what Andy was
    >talking about(and neither were you).

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    Sully was 3rd at NCAAs as a freshman after having run 3:39 in high school. A few years later he had won it, and had been in two World Championships finals. By 2000, he had run 3:31 and finished 5th at the Olympics. Decent progression under a single coach, I would say. In that time he dealy with injuries, including surgery.

    Webb finished 4th? at NCAAs as a freshman after having run 3:38 in high school. He accomplished despite a minor injury indoors. Patience is a virtue.

    Oh yeah, and Warhurst has developed dozens of other athletes that solidly stand on their own. As far as I know, Razcko's resume has 2 guys with excellent high school times.

    Say what you want about either of them, but keep in mind that one athlete does not make or break a coach.

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  • MJD
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    I
    >notice that YOU left my comments alone regarding
    >the other points. Do they do that on letsrun,
    >too? Whatever Sullivan has done doesn't make
    >Andy's hollow praises of Warhurst gain
    >credibility. Even if Sullivan's accomplishments
    >have been understated, that doesn't do anything
    >to negate the fact that most of the rest of the
    >post is laughably overstated.

    You missed my point. I didn't take a position-even on Sully. I'm just trying to focus the discussion a bit better.

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  • MJD
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    >Only avoided because it was
    >way to obvious, but it's quite easy to grant you
    >your wish. How many WC or Olympic medal's does
    >Sullivan have? Coach Li and Lagat have done MUCH
    >better in HALF the career of Sullivan and
    >Warhurst.

    I'm not talking specifically, I'm talking within the context of a larger debate. You are now talking about one athlete and one coach which isn't what Andy was talking about(and neither were you).

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    >If you are
    >going to
    >have a debate about Ronnie's coaching
    >abilities,
    >you cannot avoid dissecting
    >Sully's
    >accomplishments no matter what you
    >think of them
    >and I notice that you left Andy's
    >comment alone
    >about him-likely because you knew
    >that he
    >actually understated what he has done.
    >At least
    >on letsrun, they get that part of the
    >debate
    >right.


    I notice that YOU left my comments alone regarding the other points. Do they do that on letsrun, too? Whatever Sullivan has done doesn't make Andy's hollow praises of Warhurst gain credibility. Even if Sullivan's accomplishments have been understated, that doesn't do anything to negate the fact that most of the rest of the post is laughably overstated.

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    >>Lets avoid a childish pissing
    >war we see in
    >Letsrun.com

    As usual, the USA is the centre of
    >the universe a lot of the time on this
    >board-notwithstanding jhcsteve's?? good idea
    >about more of a world focus. If you are going to
    >have a debate about Ronnie's coaching abilities,
    >you cannot avoid dissecting Sully's
    >accomplishments no matter what you think of them
    >and I notice that you left Andy's comment alone
    >about him-likely because you knew that he
    >actually understated what he has done. At least
    >on letsrun, they get that part of the debate
    >right.


    Only avoided because it was way to obvious, but it's quite easy to grant you your wish. How many WC or Olympic medal's does Sullivan have? Coach Li and Lagat have done MUCH better in HALF the career of Sullivan and Warhurst.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    ><<Pure, 100% hyperbole.>>

    Your statements are
    >hyperbole as well. You just have a negative
    >opinion on Warhurst.

    No, just a realistic one.

    Because of Webb's poor
    >performances as a professional, Warhurst does not
    >look that bad in hindsight.

    Not if you really know much at all about coaching and training. Webb's appendix wasn't about to burst for over a year. Webb did some things wrong, but Webb's case does not make or break Warhurst.

    Hmmmm, are you close to coach
    >Raczko? You are certainly taking my opinions way
    >too seriously.

    No, apparently nowhere near as close as you are to Warhurst.

    Lets avoid a childish pissing
    >war we see in Letsrun.com

    Then quit gushing like a schoolgirl with a crush.

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  • MJD
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    That last post was directed at set 'em up not Andy.

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