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    As soon as the webmeister comes back on line, Mr. Michael Lewis is banned from this board.

    I have no problem with his message. I do have a MONSTER problem that in the middle of an interest-provoking thread on something of current interest in the track world he chose to insert a long, completely unrelated screed on drugs. Here's his post, just so neither he nor anybody else think I'm concerned with whatever point he's trying to make:

    << "Now we should write an explanation for every time we have to toss some trollism."

    You sound like a kid who says "All you ever do is tell me to clean up my room!" No reasonable person expects you to have to justify all the trollism you expel and God knows there is some serious crap that makes it onto this board. But just what was the so-called trollism in this case? I'm curious because we've locked horns over this before and I had a post yanked on this thread. I have been told by you that saying Ruth Fuchs publicly admitted to using steroids was hearsay and basically bullshit. I don't know that my post got yanked this time and I won't assume it was until I know otherwise. However, since you're the editor of the Bible of the Sport, it might behoove you to at least know that your athlete of the decades for the 1970's HAS publicly admitted to steroid use. I contacted Dr. Werner Franke, the German Parliamentary investigator into East German secret police files detailing sports drug abuse. His reply was as follows:


    Dear Mr. Lewis,

    thank you for your e-mail inquiry about the specific case of Ruch
    Fuchs (SC Motor Sport Club Jena, DDR). Perhaps you know that
    she has been, after the reunification of Germany, a member of the
    German Parliament (Bundestag) from approx. 1990-1998. She is
    one of the few who have publicly admitted, to the press and also in
    at least 1 television talk show, where I was also present, that she
    had been taking the anabolic steroid Oral-Turinabol practically
    throughout her major career, certainly during the time of the 3
    participations in Olympic games. If you would need detailed
    documents please let me know.

    Sincerely

    Werner W. Franke

    I am forwarding a copy of his email to you Gary so hopefully there won't be any further dispute over this point of fact.>>

  • #2
    Re: Unacceptable Behavior

    What a hard-ass!

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    • #3
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      I and perhaps others are thoroughly confused here Garry.

      I do not know what Michael said, etc., but I do know that although he sometimes has been acerbic in his comments he was thoughtful, and showed a thorough knowledge and love for the sport, and made many good contributions to this message board. He will be missed at least by me.

      Why don't you ban EVERYBODY and then you'll have no problems.

      It's called excessive censorship. That's my view anyway for what it's worth.

      confused stevehj197/ 6.5 5 hjsteve

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      • #4
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        I must admit I missed it too. What was the offense? Michael Lewis and I have disagreed lots, but I don't remember him crossing the line.

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        • #5
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          >>It's called excessive
          >censorship. That's my view anyway for what it's
          >worth.>>

          That's pretty funny stuff coming from the guy who must hold the board record for most times attempting to play unofficial moderator.

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          • #6
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            >I and perhaps others are thoroughly confused here
            >Garry.

            I do not know what Michael said, etc.>>

            OK, I'll copy againa the start of the initial posting of mine:

            <<I have no problem with his message. I do have a MONSTER problem that in the middle of an interest-provoking thread on something of current interest in the track world he chose to insert a long, completely unrelated screed on drugs.

            Here's his post, just so neither he nor anybody else think I'm concerned with whatever point he's trying to make:>>

            The thread (which I negelcted to mention) was the one on who should rank No. 1 in the m100 this year. He inserted a long post about a 30-year old drug case. I'm perfectly willing to address the Fuchs case, as I said at the top. The board will not tolerate,however, people polluting perfectly good current-events threads with unrelated drug talk. That's just not acceptable.

            I was,however, precipitate in saying Lewis is banned. He's only partially banned. If he wishes to carry out the Fuchs thread, that's fine. But he is not welcome anywhere else on the board.

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            • #7
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              Although I don't want to "take sides", I hope that a little "cooling off" period might be the best tact before making any "final decisions" to permanently ban (partial or otherwise) a knowledgeable and passionate contributor. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this forum is an appropriate place for them. Some "toning down" may be in order, however. Rational people (the great majority of posters on this forum and the moderator) can work out their differences. Thanks

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              • #8
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                For what it's worth, I agree with the above comments. There are only so many dedicated track fans out there. None should be unnecessarily chased away from this forum.

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                • #9
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                  >Although I don't want to "take sides", I hope
                  >that a little "cooling off" period might be the
                  >best tact before making any "final decisions"
                  >to permanently ban (partial or otherwise) a
                  >knowledgeable and passionate contributor.
                  >Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this
                  >forum is an appropriate place for them.>>

                  GH has stated his position twice and you still don't get it. He has no objection to Lewis's opinion; he's pissed off because the idiot ruined a perfectly good topic with material completely irrelevant for the discussion and it was on everybodys favourite topic drugs.

                  I hope management bounces everybody no matter how "good a poster" they are if they turn non-drug topics into them. Got over and play on the THG forum if that's your thing.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Unacceptable Behavior

                    Maybe you guys should program in a feature that lets you split threads. I find that feature really useful on my board. Sometimes people make good posts that are just way off topic, but have validity in and of themselves. In the interest of keeping things organized I split them off into their own thread.

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                    • #11
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                      "He has no objection to Lewis's opinion; he's pissed off because the idiot ruined a perfectly good topic with material completely irrelevant for the discussion and it was on everybodys favourite topic drugs."

                      It was hardly irrelevant to the thread when several people myself included were asking why several posts disappeared without any explanation. Gary's response about trollism was in my opinion a non-answer which you can get by reading what I posted. And to say he has no objection to my opinion makes an idiot of you because you haven't a clue what's gone on on this board surrounding the real issue here, which is what constitutes hearsay and bullshit and what doesn't, and therefore what is proper grounds for yanking a thread.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Unacceptable Behavior

                        Perhaps an administration forum should be created for issues such as this.

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                        • #13
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                          I totally see both sides, but perhaps the bottom line is that, given T&FN's overtly stated position on drug posts, that Mr. Lewis's post belonged on the 'drug' forum, not the Current Events forum, even though it was in response to a thread on the CE forum. It is obvious now that almost every post that contains drug references needs to be on the THG side. I would like to say that perhaps that was not as clearly stated as it might have been, and that we declare a mistrial and set all positions back to zero. Just to be even more wishy-washy: I am totally with Mr. Lewis on the Ruth Fuchs (and Koch) thing, but gh et al have made it pretty clear to all that drug threads are persona non grata unless there is incontrovertible evidence.

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                          • #14
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                            >> you haven't
                            >a clue what's gone on on this board surrounding
                            >the real issue here, which is what constitutes
                            >hearsay and bullshit and what doesn't, and
                            >therefore what is proper grounds for yanking a
                            >thread. >>

                            Allow me to quote from the guidelines everybody should have read before signing on here:

                            << 3. The definition of "objectionable post" rests solely with T&FN.>>

                            You seem to think this is some kind of democracy. It's not, nor should it be. TFN is providing you with a free service. If you enjoy it, go with it.

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                            • #15
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                              Quit arguing, you sound like a bunch of babies.

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