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  • 6 5.5hjsteve
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    I know I am probably stsating the obvious here to a great extent, but.....

    there should be SOME credit for doing well in, say, 2 events. After all, they ARE separate events, like it or not. Do the 5 and 10 overlap ? Of course they do, but not 100 %. Same thing in 800/1500, etc. But it's mainly the 100/200 and 5000/10,000 that it has the greatest overlap.

    And yes there is a small overlap in the LJ and the sprints ( speed helps ! ) but people like Carl Lewis sure should not be looked at as 2 separate Carl the lj'er" and "Carl the 100 runner."

    So Garry although your idea had some merits, it had more demerits and as such was properly not enacted.

    Should a John Godina get extra esteem if he throws both 75' and 240' ? He sure better !!!!

    To complete a too verbose message, doubling is a Fact of Life in Track & Field, more so in Track than in Field due to the greater homogeneity of the events. That's just the Way It Is.

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  • gh
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    I can sympathize w/ Field Guy. At one point a few years back I felt that there was so much extra credit being given to people for doing what I considered running the same event twice, just under a different name, that I tried to interest the rest of the staff in a concept whereby everybody was a different person in a different event.

    OK, it was loony, and it didn't fly, but I was suggesting that your ballot might look like this (making names up):

    1. Jones HJ
    2. El X 5000
    3. El X 10,000
    4.....

    In ohter words, no double credit for anybody. General public would never buy it, but it would level the playing field!

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  • 6 5.5hjsteve
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    Believe me, I'm on your side. It is indeed worse than I thought.

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    OK, so let's go back to the 70's which started with your guy Matson as the AOY. He was the only field eventer! There was also one guy (Milburn) who made it ranking in one event.

    Then came 8 straight years of runners who scored in more than one event.

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  • 6 5.5hjsteve
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    Field Guy, I will have to admit that it's been a bit sparse in recent years except for Alekna. Matson/Beamon/Bubka/Seydikh is going back a few years. But then again, have we had field eventers in the last dozen years as good as those guys were?

    But yes, it is tougher for "us field guys" to get respect. Even the name of our sport is oftentimes contracted to "Track."

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  • dl
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    I believe you mean the "discus thrower." Virgilijus Alekna was AOY in '00.

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  • BisonHurdler
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    Plus, the guy in 2000, the hammer thrower whose name escapes me.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Go to the "Archive" section and look up the list of all-time AOYs. As a quickie capsule that was easy to read/calculate I note that of the last 13 men's AOYs, 11 of them were pure runners and 9 of those rated in more than one event. It has become almost impossible for a field eventer to break through.

    In same span, women have 3 pure field eventers (and Marion w/ LJs that don't matter twice) and 9 who rated in multiple runs.

    Don't try to tell me the playing field (npi) is level.

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  • 6 5.5hjsteve
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    Field Guy, I'm a field guy too, and through the years I think that T&FN's AOYs have given pretty darned good billing to field eventers.
    It's hard to knock picking the likes of Carl Lewis(he was a fair enough good LJ'er too), Marion Jones,and Michael Johnson, and El G and Morceli never doubled up, they were /are strictly 1500/milers ( until El G this year that is. )

    On both the men's and women's sides we've had quite a few field winners. Matson, Beamon, Seydikh, Bupka, Alekna, Slupianek, Ackermann come to mind and I am sure there are more. Add JJK to that list too, pretty much a fielder.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    TFN, thanks for your stance. Jumpers and throwers get hosed with regularity already since nearly alweays they only have a single event they can compete in. Meanwhile sprinters, middle distance runners, and distance runners can all pad their resumes by running multiple distances that to the uniniated may look like "different" events but in reality are just variations on a theme.

    Open the doors to unlimited road racing and cross country and nobody but a distance runner will ever win anything ever again. Your way is infinitely fairer and for that us fieldies salute you.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    so you can cross off Paula for AOY.

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  • gh
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    >If this is the case TFN = IAAF, sad state of
    >affairs!!!!!!!!!>>

    Harrumph! T&FN > IAAF, in all matters! :-)

    Seriously, this was relative to a post where somebody noted that Radcliffe had only one race that would serve to get her votes as T&FN AOY, and that is true. You've got to remember our name TRACK AND FIELD, not track and field and road, or track and field and cross country. Track & Field News. That's where we started and that's where we stay. We're not out to ID the best "runner" which Radcliffe may well be this year, but she's not the best track performer.

    We do consider marks made in marathon and 20 and 50 Walks as well, since those are Olympic/WC events. But we don't broaden our definition anything beyond that. Hopefully that makes some sense to one and all.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    >put me down for Kluft and Sanchez too...>>

    Who'd waste time putting you down, you hockey puck! Kluft and Sanchez are fine choices.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    put me down for Kluft and Sanchez too...

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    It SHOULD be Sanchez and Klüft, it WILL be El Guerrouj and Mutola...

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