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  • MJD
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    Ok it got down to 25 below F this morning so I must admit that I briefly thought about staying indoors and using my wife's treadmill. Nah...

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Yes - I get my HR up over 160 pretty quickly (within 5-10 minutes) which is what I am usually at while running (actually I run at 150-160). I use a Polar HR monitor rather than the touch HR on the 546 - it's easier than holding on and the base model Polar A1 is only $50 or so. I don't hold on - I pump my arms as I'm going.

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  • Cerutty Boy
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    I say 180 strides/minute because I
    >believe that is pretty efficient

    Correct!

    A stride frequency of 180/minute during running produces the stretch reflex response in the muscles, the same response the occurs during plyometric exercises. The muscles use elastic energy to create a more forcefull contraction at a lower metabolic cost.

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  • MJD
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    >MJD - Ellipticals are a great workout -
    >especially the Precor 546. Try to get your
    >turnover to 180 or better and it will help with
    >turnover while running (the 546 displays this).
    >I do intervals with several minutes at a lower
    >stride frequency and several at a higher
    >frequency, all while keeping the resistance set
    >at a relatively low number (6 to 9 for me is
    >fine).

    I say 180 strides/minute because I
    >believe that is pretty efficient (most World
    >Class runners fall in at around 180/minute - not
    >that I'm World Class.....)..

    By the way if
    >you use the 546 keep the ramp level off the
    >highest inclines - it doesn't make the workload
    >greater (resistance does) and is isn't very
    >natural.


    Thanks again el supremo. I assume that you get your hr up pretty high?

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    MJD - Ellipticals are a great workout - especially the Precor 546. Try to get your turnover to 180 or better and it will help with turnover while running (the 546 displays this). I do intervals with several minutes at a lower stride frequency and several at a higher frequency, all while keeping the resistance set at a relatively low number (6 to 9 for me is fine).

    I say 180 strides/minute because I believe that is pretty efficient (most World Class runners fall in at around 180/minute - not that I'm World Class.....)..

    By the way if you use the 546 keep the ramp level off the highest inclines - it doesn't make the workload greater (resistance does) and is isn't very natural.

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  • MJD
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    She usually runs about 8-10 miles at a
    >pretty good clip (sub 7:00/Mile) over a tough
    >off-road course w/hills (and she repeats the
    >hills as well). She's banged up from CC in
    >college. She's an outlier for sure - but shows
    >what someone w/talent can do on limited running.

    Thenks el supremo. I'll have to give those ellipticals a try. I always just seem to be putting in time on the bike and stair climbers-especially the latter. Do you think the ellipticals have any kind of recuperative effect on the muscles because they seem to simulate running? They must use the same muscles or you wouldn't be able to knock off 10 miles once a week that easily I don't think.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    MJD -

    "Interesting. What does she do on the one day that she runs-alternate between intervals/tempo and distance? And if you can tell us, is she just too banged up to run much?"

    She usually runs about 8-10 miles at a pretty good clip (sub 7:00/Mile) over a tough off-road course w/hills (and she repeats the hills as well). She's banged up from CC in college. She's an outlier for sure - but shows what someone w/talent can do on limited running.

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  • MJD
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    Here is what you miss if you run on a treadmill:

    "We ran through blizzards, thunderstorms, freezing rain, covered bridges, creeks, campgrounds, cemeteries, city parks, parking lots, a nuclear power plant, county fairs, and, once, a church service. We were chased by goats, geese, a crazed ground hog, guards (the nuclear power plant), a motorcycle gang, an armed man in a pickup, a sheriff’s deputy, and dogs both fierce and friendly. We ran when two feet of snow covered the roads and when the wind-chill was thirty below. We ran when it was eighty degrees at seven in the morning. We ran on streets, sidewalks, highways, cinder tracks, dirt roads, golf courses, Lake Erie beaches, bike trails, across yards and along old railroad beds. Seven days a week, twelve months a year, year after year."

    http://www.umsl.edu/~natural/number6/hart.html

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I quess there would be liability issues with a fast threadmill. The cartoon below has a humorous take on the dangers of the threadmill.

    http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/landing/ ... ure=accept

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  • MJD
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    >I know of an athlete
    >who trains running 1 day per week and elliptical
    >trains 6x per week. On this training she is able
    >to run 60 minutes for 10 miles. Her
    >cardiovascular conditioning drawfs most runners
    >in the area. Indoor training can be monotnous,
    >but damn effective.

    Interesting. What does she do on the one day that she runs-alternate between intervals/tempo and distance? And if you can tell us, is she just too banged up to run much?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    There are 2 primary components to distance running - cardiovascular conditioning (heart/lung development and efficiency and vascular development throughout the body) and muscular conditioning and muscle memory/efficiency.

    Treadmill running (or for that matter using an elliptical or biking aka Gabe Jennings) will improve or maintain the cardiovascular component given the proper intensity. Treadmill running does improve muscular develpoment/conditioning as well, and while you won't get in 3:35 1500 shape on a treadmill you can drastically improve your conditioning on one.

    I know of an athlete who trains running 1 day per week and elliptical trains 6x per week. On this training she is able to run 60 minutes for 10 miles. Her cardiovascular conditioning drawfs most runners in the area. Indoor training can be monotnous, but damn effective.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    There is a simple principle in track and field training that is often overlooked. That principle is this; any training that takes you out of a natural running position- even slightly, can cause problem over the long haul. With treadmills, a slightly forward foot strike with and an exagerated ground contact is necessary to maintain balance.
    And before you brainiacs start rattling off successful athletes who use treadmills, that was not my point. Of course they can be used successfully to supplement training- and a few athletes of note have used them extensively with success. But an apples to apples comparison always puts treadmills a distant 2nd to actual running.

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  • 6 5.5hjsteve
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    my intuition agrees, but WHY doesn't it do as much good ?

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Question: "I was wondering if running on a treadmill for 60 mins will do me just as good as running on the street."
    Answer: No, running on a treadmill will not do you just as good as running on the street.

    Geez, was that so hard?

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  • MJD
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    >A real Canadian would have worn shorts and a
    >t-shirt in the wind and snow too. eh?

    Yeah. True that...getting soft.

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