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  • #61
    Re: What's your top 10?

    >Without fail any post about best
    >looking/hottest/most attractive women in the
    >sport will instantly degrade into whether a
    >poster gets to go to have sex with someone on the
    >list.

    I respectfully disagree with that. Garry himself said that most of the posters here have been very responsible, that he was pleasantly surprised at the very little cleaning up the monitors have had to do around here.

    I just can't imagine any poster I've seen here speculating about having sex with somebody on a list we'd put together.

    You guys are the bosses, though. We are mere guests. If I could suggest one thing. When you do delete a post, give a reason the moment you do so.

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    • #62
      Re: What's your top 10?

      >Well mines are:
      1.Flo-jo
      2.Marion Jones
      >
      3.Regina Jacobs
      4.Carl Lewis
      5.Micheal
      >Johnson
      6.Maurice Green
      7.Allyson
      >Felix
      8.Sanya Richards

      What's that a list of, bl? Watch it!

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      • #63
        Re: What's your top 10?

        Ben, also, what about all the beer posts? What if someone is a recovering alcoholic and has to read them everyday? What if I'm a parent and know my HS sophomore miler has to read about everybody on the T&FN board drinking beer all the time? Is allowing these posts to remain being sensitive to these other people?

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        • #64
          Re: What's your top 10?

          Ok, everyone take a deep breath and relax. Track is a world where the women are selling their bodies in calendars to make some much-needed money to support themselves. A little discussion of attractiveness has to be acceptable; we'll know when it degrades, and we've got some police function on this to keep it from being even close to nasty. But please let's not have the pc police decide when someone is treating someone else as a sex object. The Greeks knew long ago that part of the joy of spectating was watching beautiful (nude) bodies in action --

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          • #65
            Re: What's your top 10?

            You must have missed the part where gh and bh said 'no.' The objectification of women is insidious and ultimately degrading, even when women do it to themselves. It is not a victimless crime. Men AND women are the victims. Yes, it CAN be 'harmless' as BV asserts his was (and I 'know' him enough to say that his was fine), but the line gets blurred very easily and quickly. Besides, letsrun has a monopoly on 'hot chicks' threads. That would be heartless of T&FN to infringe upon letsrun's areas of expertise.

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            • #66
              Re: What's your top 10?

              Congradulations to BillVol and No Name for derailing a great thread with sophomoric "I'm right" and "Oh yeah?" banter. It's almost embarrasing reading your posts.

              Steve

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              • #67
                Re: What's your top 10?

                >Ok, everyone take a deep breath and relax. Track
                >is a world where the women are selling their
                >bodies in calendars to make some much-needed
                >money to support themselves. A little discussion
                >of attractiveness has to be acceptable; we'll
                >know when it degrades, and we've got some police
                >function on this to keep it from being even close
                >to nasty. But please let's not have the pc
                >police decide when someone is treating someone
                >else as a sex object. The Greeks knew long ago
                >that part of the joy of spectating was watching
                >beautiful (nude) bodies in action --

                Amen! Praise Jesus! Thank you for your post. Mel Mueller, who broke a rule in the first place by advertising a product, has that pole vaulting calendar. Why is that allowed on here? supremo, I'm embarrased to read your reply. You just don't like seeing the bosses called out onto the carpet! You also spelled congratulations wrong. But I spelled Owens wrong, so we're even. ;-)

                I have really enjoyed getting to know the T&FN staffers through this forum. I think that they have taken a chance by participating the way they have and I appreciate it. But we are customers of the magazine. As Ed Fox has reminded me, the subscribers keep the magazine alive. Therefore, I think we deserve a respectful explanation if we have a post deleted.

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                • #68
                  Re: What's your top 10?

                  >> Therefore,
                  >I think we deserve a respectful explanation if we
                  >have a post deleted.>>

                  Allow me to vote no on that suggestion. Better that bad posts/threads just slip away unremarked. Any attempt TFN makes at explaining its rationale only makes it worse, because the offending party then wants to start a pissing match.

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                  • #69
                    Re: What's your top 10?

                    My top 10 in 800m :

                    1- Peter Snell, 2 gold in OG and WB with total supremacy

                    2- Seb Coe, in 3 years moved the event 20 years ahead

                    3- Wilson Kipketer, remaining at top level for 9 years today is more difficult than in the past

                    4- Alberto Juantorena, also if his times were not so amazing like many think

                    5- Marcello Fiasconaro, able to break completely alone the WR running under 1:44 for the first time

                    6- Rudolf Harbig, 20 years beyond other runners, not able to improve harder because killed during the 2nd World War

                    7- Joaquim Cruz, terrible talent that I saw winner of '79 Gymnasiadi (16 years old) in both 400m/800m in 15 min (46.7 and 1:54.3 in tactical race), with tendons too fragile for running 1:40

                    8- Billy Konchellah, the most talented that I had ever seen, runner in his first race 45.1 when 18y old, winner of '87 and '91 World Championships in spite of a bad form of malaria that every three months didn't permit to train for other 2 months.

                    9- Johnny Gray, the best front runner for more than 12 years, yet able running 1:46 when 40

                    10- Mal Whitfield, the only US in my personal list, able to win 2 OG (48-52), more a bronze in 400m and a gold in 4x400.

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                    • #70
                      Re: What's your top 10?

                      My top ten track and field stadiums I've been to:

                      1. Los Angeles Coliseum
                      2. Berlin Olympic Stadium
                      3. Zurich, Switzerland
                      4. Hayward Field in Eugene
                      5. Seoul Olympic Stadium
                      6. Mt. SAC in Southern Cal
                      7. Helsinki Olympic Stadium
                      8. Rome Olympic Stadium
                      9. Mexico City Olympic Stadium
                      10.Tokyo Olympic Stadium

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                      • #71
                        Re: What's your top 10?

                        "10- Mal Whitfield, the only US in my personal list"



                        Perhaps you forgot to read your number 9?


                        "9- Johnny Gray, the best front runner for more than 12 years, yet able running 1:46 when 40"

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                        • #72
                          Re: What's your top 10?

                          lighten up Bison!

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                          • #73
                            Re: What's your top 10?

                            Why, was i being mean or something?


                            Lighten up, PLEASE! It was a joke!

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                            • #74
                              Re: What's your top 10?

                              .......But i must say that that 800m list looks pretty good.

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                              • #75
                                Re: What's your top 10?

                                You have reason, I forgot Johnny Gray because I was already concentrated in my 1500m top 10 :

                                1) HICHAM EL GUERROUJ : his 4 World titles, his WR in 1500 / Mile / 2000m, and his consistance (7 performances among the best 10 all-time) make him the greatest in the history.

                                2) HERBERT ELLIOT : he ran very short time, ending his activity only 22y old. But it was another period, not yet professional, and what he was able to do (WB of 2.1 when 20y old, and the wonderful victory in OG '60 with a "solo" in the last 2 laps, improving his WB, together with the WB of Mile from 3:57.2 to 3:54.5 in 1958) in short time, makes him a top specialist, at the same level of El Guerrouj. Another important thing : Elliot was able (like Snell) to change the idea of training. So, his place in the history is at the top.

                                3) NOURREDINE MORCELI : almost on the same level of El Guerrouj, able winning OG in '96, 3 World titles, and to improve WB 2 times in 1500, 1 in Mile, 1 in 2000 and 1 in 3000m. The tactic of El Guerrouj and Morceli (and Elliot) were the same : hard increase of speed during the last 500m, using that attitude of speed-endurance that is the product of hard work on a very big aerobic base.

                                4) SEBASTIAN COE : He won 2 Olympic Games in '80 and '84, was record holder of 1500 in '79, beated 3 times the WR of Mile in '79 and '91. Also if he was greater as 800m runner, his best successes were in 1500.

                                5) GUNDER HAEGG : the swedish "Reindeer" fighted, during the 2nd World War, a personal battle against the human limits of the time on dometic tracks, running with/against the other big runner Arne Andersson, having wonderful duels.
                                He never won OG because the war, but was able to move the WB from 3:47.8 to 3:43.0 in 3 different times, WB of Mile from 4:06.4 to 4:01.4 in 3 different times again, and to beat 2 times the WB of 2000 (from 5:16.8 to 5:11.8), 1 times the WB of 3000, beeing also the first athlete able running under 14:00 in 5000m


                                6) STEVE CRAM : At the same level of Steve Ovett, he never won OG (only silver in '84 back Coe), but is in the history of the event as first winner in World Championships (83) and first athlete running under 3:30 (3:29.67 in 1985). That year was his best : he broke the Mile record too, with an important 3:46.32, lasting till '93.

                                6ex) STEVE OVETT : It's very difficult to share Cram and Ovett in an hypothetical top 10 list.
                                Ovett, like Cram, won only a small medal in OG (bronze in '80), but after winning gold in 800m. But, regarding WB, he was very fertile, breaking 3 times WB in 1500m and 2 times in Mile.

                                8) JIM RYUN : He could be probably the number 1 if had a longer career. His beginning was incredible, beeing able to beat te WB in Mile (3:51.3) when junior 19 years old, then to break at 20 both the WB (3:33.1 and 3:51.1). But a blood infection limited his possibilities of Gold in OG '68, won by Kip Keino in altitude. During his come-back in '72 fell down in OG running a too relaxed heat, and finished his career very early.

                                9) ROGER BANNISTER : He's in the history, as the first man able running One Mile under 4 min. He won in 1954 European Championships and Commonwealth Games, running in 3:58.8 and beating Aussie John Landy, that had improved his WB of Mile. But, living in another time, he preferred to finish running soon, becoming a top researcher in scientific World.

                                10) SAID AOUITA : He can be considered one of the best (if not the best, together with Gebre and Paavo Nurmi) "global runners" all-time, but really in 1500m he was not able to obtain what he could have. In OG, he won 5000m in '84, and in '88 went to 800m, beeing injured and skipping 1500m. His only honour was the WB in '85 with 3:29.46. But he broke also WB in 2000 (4:50.81), and was the first man under 7:30 in 3000m

                                10ex) JOHN WALKER : Coming from New Zealand, never improved the WB, but won OG in 1976 and improve WB of Mile in 1975, first man running under 3:50. In my opinion, his greatness is the consistancy at top level for so long time. After 2 operations to his tendons, changing type of training excluding speed because too damageous, was able again to run under 3:50, 9 years later.

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