Ranking the Men's V Jumps

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Through an interesting series of coincidences, I talked with Walerianczyk a few weeks ago. He had intended to come to a university in the States starting in January, but now is leaning toward going pro.

Smart kid. Knows a lot about the event, both technically and historically.

[twinpeeks]

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Take Mack out and insert Mensil

[twinpeeks]

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MPV

Lobinger
Brits
Gibilisco
Markov
Miles
Hartwig
Kristensson
Hysong
Averbukh
Mack

[Per Andersen]

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Given the interesting teaser from Garry I have to agree with TN and put Kristiansson behind Hartwig.
For what it is worth I think it will look like this in the T&FN rankings:
1 Lobinger
2 Brits
3 Gibilisco
4 Markov
5 Mesnil
6 Averbukh
7 Hartwig
8 Kristiansson
(tomorrow I'll probably switch around Averbukh and Kristiansson)

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>"Hartwig ahead of Mesnil, Averbuch and Kristiansson."

>I'll give you a teaser, since Rankings are close to publication: Hartwig finishes behind two of those, ahead of one of them.

So using my reasoning he'd only beat Kristiansson, but I suspect Kris ranks higher because of his one high placing at WC.

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>tafnut does not leave much to disagree on. But is
>it really written in stone that marks in the
>field events count for so little? I mean Hartwig
>ahead of Mesnil, Averbuch and Kristiansson.
>Hartwig does 5.80 in June and what is his second
>highest? >>

I'll give you a teaser, since Rankings are close to publication: Hartwig finishes behind two of those, ahead of one of them.

[Per Andersen]

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tafnut does not leave much to disagree on. But is it really written in stone that marks in the field events count for so little? I mean Hartwig ahead of Mesnil, Averbuch and Kristiansson. Hartwig does 5.80 in June and what is his second highest? At some point there must be a prize to pay for not being closer to Mesnil&Averbuch.
Anyway I probably will go with Lobinger as no.1.
In the H.J. I don't think Strand should be ranked this year. His ankle did not give him a chance. Freitag is surely no.1 and Holm no.2.
Jamie Nieto is one who has impressed me this year.
He has been flying under the radar all year. It is about time we mention him.

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Aha, a bite.
Did not forget Walerianczyk - list leader gets nothing wothout significant high places.
Boswell may well be better than Mason, but did he have a better season? You may be right about Markov-Gibilisco. Kristiansson did little else before or after WC.

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OK tn, here is my opinion:
- HJ Boswell was better than Mason, and you have
forgotten
list leader Walerianczyk
- PV Markov was more consistent than my fellow-
countryman Gibilisco, and
Kristiansson 'd be ranked higher
than Hartwing & Hysong

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hmmm, 16 hours without a single reply/dissent. Either NO one cares about the jumps or . . . did I neglect to mention that Webb will race Bolt and Gabe at 150 meters; drug-taking is required?!

[tafnut]

This year the men’s vertical jumps were in disarray. No one could achieve any measure of consistency.

To rank the HJ here are the meets that brought the best together in order of their importance to ranking (IMO):
1. WC
2. GPF
3. Stockholm
4. Rome
5. Eberstadt
6. Gateshead

Rankings
1. Freitag – 1st at WC, Rome and Eberstadt
2. Holm – 2nd at WC and GPF
3. Rybakov – 1st at GPF, 3rd at Gateshead
4. Mason – 1st at Stockholm, 4th and 5th at GPF and WC
5. Boswell – 3rd at WC, 2nd at Rome
6. Nieto – 3rd at GPF, 2nd at Gateshead
Hemingway, Sokolovskiy, Strand, and Tsvetkov round out the rest of the top 10.

As for the Pole Vault, there is equal murkiness. The meets in order were:
1. WC
2. GPF
3. Zurich
4. Brussels
5. Berlin
6. Rome
7. Paris

Rankings
1. Brits – 2nd at WC and GPF, 1st Zurich, 2nd Brussels and Berlin
2. Lobinger – 1st GPF, 5th WC, 3rd Zurich, 2nd Paris
3. Gibilisco – 1st WC, 2nd Rome
4. Markov – 3rd and 4th at GPF and WC, 1st Berlin, 4th Zurich and Brussels
5. Hartwig – 4th GPF, 2nd Zurich
6. Hysong – 3rd Berlin, Rome and Paris
the rest – Mesnil, Yurchenko, Miles, and Kristiansson had little depth beyond their best results.