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    Check out this rankings interface linked from the UK Athletics site:

    http://www1.powerof10.info/default.asp? ... 3B7E2F7031

    Rankings by event which have hot links to all of the results for that athlete for the past 3 years. And the list appear to go about 700 athletes deep for each event.

    If the technology is there for the UK to do it, why hasn't the US (or any other country I've seen)? And it's free to use...

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    AS, Athletics Australia has just released a similar online database but it only has about 12-18 months data. I don't know if there is any intention to load additional historical data in the future. I've only had a chance for a quick look, so I don't know its full capabilities.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by El Toro
      AS, Athletics Australia has just released a similar online database but it only has about 12-18 months data. I don't know if there is any intention to load additional historical data in the future. I've only had a chance for a quick look, so I don't know its full capabilities.
      The Aussie one makes an attempt to do the same. It, alas, doesn't have the depth or usability of the UK site.

      You can get the results from the 15-20 meets a year that they deign to be significant (mainly the domestic grand prix meets and the raft of national champs each year (clubs, juniors, schools, U-23, open) etc. They do appear to be adding IAAF Grand Prix events but not quickly). I

      t's not as user-friendly as the UK site. It suffers from being contained within a bandwith hungry interface (apparently crafted by the same morons at our national telecoms firm that have recently ballsed-up the afl.com.au website). When will web-designers start looking at sites from the user's perspective, not the coder's or graphic designer's perspective?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by AS
        It suffers from being contained within a bandwith hungry interface (apparently crafted by the same morons at our national telecoms firm that have recently ballsed-up the afl.com.au website). When will web-designers start looking at sites from the user's perspective, not the coder's or graphic designer's perspective?
        Maybe at the end of this year when Telstra will end their sponsorship of Australian athletics... Let's just hope the new sponsor ain't a telco...

        All most people seem to want is a site with quick access to info (like AA had before the 'improvements'). If we want an in-your-face server of content to sell phones, we'll still have the new improved afl.com

        You written to em A? We've both had something to do with websites. Did they ignore you too?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Vault-emort
          You written to em A? We've both had something to do with websites. Did they ignore you too?
          I gave up trying to convince site administrators anything quite a long time ago... so no?

          Hmmm, you seem to know who I am... by any chance are you an ex-state league vaulter who occasionally does decathlons?

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          • #6
            No need to go Down Under or Across the Pond for this.

            Similar technology is being used for USATF masters seasonal lists at mastersrankings.com. It's a spectacular success, and very popular with athletes (except me, becuz I can't crack the top 25).

            Dave Clingan oversees these rankings under contract with USATF Masters Track & Field, using custom database software written by John Seto.

            See how you can look up 2007 marks by event, age group or athlete:
            http://www.mastersrankings.com/rankhome ... on=Outdoor

            Here's the listing for Willie Gault, for example:
            http://www.mastersrankings.com/indresul ... cyear=2007

            Dave's FAQ is here:
            http://www.mastersrankings.com/FAQ.HTM

            Why doesn't USATF webmaster Keith Lively just borrow Dave's system?

            Beats me.

            I've bugged Keith for years to add a search function to usatf.org, but he seems not to appreciate how crucial/essential a tool this is. So I don't hold out much hope for Keith's adopting the mastersrankings.com system.

            BTW, if you look for a link to USATF masters rankings on usatf.org, you'll eventually find it (after hours of searching) here:
            http://www.usatf.org/groups/Masters/statistics.asp

            K E N
            K E N

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            • #7
              700 deep rankings dont mine and mint gold for "The rings in Colo. Springs"

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              • #8
                One thing that makes it easier for the British group is the club system. If you look at the lists, there are very few, if any, athletes who aren't members of a club. To do the same thing here would be an incredibly time-consuming process given all of our unattached/free-floating athletes and meets.

                I doubt there are many hastily-planned all-comers meets in the UK

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gm
                  One thing that makes it easier for the British group is the club system. If you look at the lists, there are very few, if any, athletes who aren't members of a club. To do the same thing here would be an incredibly time-consuming process given all of our unattached/free-floating athletes and meets.

                  I doubt there are many hastily-planned all-comers meets in the UK
                  Our lack of, until recent re-emergence, a club system, is the main reason for a lack of post collegiate athletes and the lack of depth in "unpopular" events here too. This especially applies to event that coaches think are beneath them to coach (really means they are too ignorant in many cases to do it right).

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