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  • #31
    Originally posted by paulthefan
    Originally posted by Kurt Francis
    Paulthefan:



    At any rate we will have to wait and see what Tstatamous does at the WC, if he jumps under 8.4 (0 wind) we will know that there was a great deal of fluff in this Kalamata measure.
    No we will not! He still maĆ½ have pulled of a great jump in Kalamata and later miss a peak for the WC. Not that strange at all.

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    • #32
      if he cant jump within 20inches of his early june PR on the more important stage then I will assume that he never did... sorry..
      ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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      • #33
        You people are ludicrous. The guy jumped 8.60 and there's a video tape of him doing it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by lonewolf
          ...At the NCAA last week there was not even a drag available.. fortunately we had pretty good broomers who maintained a pit that, imo, was fair to all competitors...
          Does Tone Belt think so? :-)

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          • #35
            I guess we can't be blunt! :evil:

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            • #36
              Originally posted by gh
              Originally posted by lonewolf
              ...At the NCAA last week there was not even a drag available.. fortunately we had pretty good broomers who maintained a pit that, imo, was fair to all competitors...
              Does Tone Belt think so? :-)
              Don't some sites have automatic gizmos that groom the pits??

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bad hammy
                Originally posted by gh
                Originally posted by lonewolf
                ...At the NCAA last week there was not even a drag available.. fortunately we had pretty good broomers who maintained a pit that, imo, was fair to all competitors...
                Does Tone Belt think so? :-)
                Don't some sites have automatic gizmos that groom the pits??
                To answer both posts:

                The Tone Belt incident had nothing to do with the condition of the pit.. under NCAA rules foul jumps are judged visually instantly and not by committee or an appeals jury. The official on the board correctly declined to measure a foul jump, which request/demand, btw, was not made by the jumper but by people yelling from the stands.. we do not take directions from the stands.

                Tone Belt expressed natural disappointment at the narrow foul but, to his credit, did not challenge the call. It was a one cm foul like a thousand other one cm fouls.. he may have been the best jumper there but not when it counted.. he had six jumps and fouled five of them.. being the favorite does not earn any favoritism.. there is no provision in the rules to allow the favorite to jump until he wins..

                Erica McClain did not win either..

                I understand automatic leveling gizmos are more common in Europe but the only place I have worked with the "Sandboni" is at 96 Olympics and at Stanford a couple of years ago when one of the gizmos malfunctioned midway through the competition.

                They are great labor saving devices and produce a beautiful pit but are very bulky and require about 30-40' of runout behind the pit for the rails. Also they are very slow and still require a pit "dresser" for dribbles and dabs.. that said, time and space permitting, I love 'em..

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Kurt Francis originally
                  Just look at the video...very wavy surface of the sand. I suspect that the mark was more like 8.16-8.36m.
                  Originally posted by In response to Paulthefan's confusion Kurt Francis
                  As far as what I believe to be the more correct measurement, I did not indicate from such that the poor grooming accounted for the difference in distance. The fact that I infered that the jump was a 8.16-8.36m jump was based on the nearest mark in the sand vs. the indicator alongside the pit, and also from my extensive video review of the speed of approach, takeoff efficiency, angle of trajectory, leg extension, and hang time. It was not due to the problems with the pit grooming.
                  Kurt, with due respect, you never mentioned any of this in your first post. The juxtaposition of your original two sentences certainly made it appear that you were inferring the poorly groomed pit had something to do with the reduced distance.

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                  • #39
                    Sandboni, love it. It must have been at Stanford that I saw one. But that was a few years ago and it has not been back at meets there that I've attended.

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                    • #40
                      Ok let me restate the case for us skeptics even though Kurt is convinced that I have misrepresented his puritanical snow white position...

                      the pit looks like the sand box at McDs play land... (that could bias a jump in paulthefans opinion up to a decimeter. I will give it an 8.4 for that reason...
                      we need more data before we crown him the next Dombrowski.
                      ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by paulthefan
                        if he cant jump within 20inches of his early june PR on the more important stage then I will assume that he never did... sorry..
                        Tons of US athletes fall in the same category. Are you questioning any of them?

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                        • #42
                          Where can I find a pic or clip of this jump/pit?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by lonewolf
                            Where can I find a pic or clip of this jump/pit?
                            On "YouTube" Just search for Tsatoumas.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Per Andersen
                              Originally posted by paulthefan
                              if he cant jump within 20inches of his early june PR on the more important stage then I will assume that he never did... sorry..
                              Tons of US athletes fall in the same category. Are you questioning any of them?
                              Tatiana Kotova jumped 7.42m in 2002 (at the European Cup) but her next best jump is currently 7.12m. So according to the what you say her jump was not legit because she was never able to repeat it.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Per Andersen
                                Originally posted by lonewolf
                                Where can I find a pic or clip of this jump/pit?
                                On "YouTube" Just search for Tsatoumas.
                                Just watched the two videos there and the pit looks reasonably level and flush. He doesn't seem to have blazing speed, but he does have a nice high angle of attack, I'll buy it. (nice of me, eh?)

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