Tsatoumas does it again, 8.54!!!

[Kurt Francis]

Daisy:

To answer your question, I don't design bridges

Seriously, ALL engineers are skeptical until they see things work for themselves! Before I ever let a client see something (and this is standard industry practice), I ALWAYS make sure that the damn thing works before they EVER see it. There are always design, fabrication, assembly, testing, etc., issues that always come up in the development and delivery of a product. Until I KNOW THE SHOT, I don't open my mouth to the customer.

FYI - Try taking a look at some of the YouTube videos about Boeing wing panels and their deflection testing. Just look at some of the faces of engineers and senior management as they watch the wing panels undergo maximum deflection-to-failure loading. A bunch of nervous guys until the thing snaps at better than the predicted failure point. You could also see similar faces at NASA engineers when they did the failure mode analysis in analyzing the carbon-carbon leading edge panels after the Columbia disaster. They were SHOCKED at the results.

An engineer's life tends to be shorter (at least that's my observation) due to the stresses associated with the job. Always nervous to some degree or another

Kurt

Skepticism is a part of my nature. I'm an engineer

So after you design a bridge, you tell the clients, 'Well I THINK it MIGHT hold up under heavy traffic, but I kinda doubt it!'

[Daisy]

[quote=Kurt Francis]Daisy:

To answer your question, I don't design bridges
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Kurt

Skepticism is a part of my nature. I'm an engineer

So after you design a bridge, you tell the clients, 'Well I THINK it MIGHT hold up under heavy traffic, but I kinda doubt it!'

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err, you mean tafnut, right? :wink:

[Kurt Francis]

I stand corrected, Daisy. My apologies.

Kurt

[quote=Daisy]

Daisy:

To answer your question, I don't design bridges
....snipped stuff....
Kurt

Skepticism is a part of my nature. I'm an engineer

So after you design a bridge, you tell the clients, 'Well I THINK it MIGHT hold up under heavy traffic, but I kinda doubt it!'

err, you mean tafnut, right? :wink:[/quote:3o26o6jy]

[AS]

Tsatoumas has backed it up an 8.37m at the Greek Nationals. His performance is looking more and more likely to me.

http://www.athletix.org

[vgbasil]

What Tsatoumas repeated in yesterday's interview was that in Kalamata was expecting a jump around 8.40 to 8.50, and not a 8.66 jump. He also mentioned that what he changed this year, along with his new coatch, is the way he accelerates going to the sand pit but his jumping technique is still the same as last year (sorry for any mistakes, my English are not very good).
Worth mentioning is a new 110m hurlder, Konstantinos Douvalides who is 20 years old and broke the national record with 13.59 (the previous was 13.61) with a very bad race (only two or three of his hurdles stayed up). He has the world youth record with 13.22 and was third at the last world Junior championship.

[Powell]

At any rate we will have to wait and see what Tstatamous does at the WC, if he jumps under 8.4 (0 wind) we will know that there was a great deal of fluff in this Kalamata measure.

Based on this criterion, Erick Walder's 8.74 and Kareem Streete-Thompson's 8.63 should clearly be thrown out of the window.

[paulthefan]

If the pits in those cases were groomed as that Kalamata pit was then yes we should knock off a decimeter to those results. I have no idea if that was the case. Climate has a big impact on the Long jump so the best test of how strong a jumper is will always be head to head competition on the biggest stage against the best in the world. The last dominante euro type was Dombrowski. He had a hang time in the LJ that was like nothing anyone previous or since could match.

[unclezadok]

he never again duplicated, or even approached his WR

since it was allegedly a wind-aided (not to mention, altitude-aided) foul, that's not surprising! Or is that just an 'urban legend'?

It is an urban legend. People got all excited because the wind reading was 2.0 mps as if that is rare--you see it about 10 times in any track meet. It ws not a foul.

[bad hammy]

he never again duplicated, or even approached his WR

since it was allegedly a wind-aided (not to mention, altitude-aided) foul, that's not surprising! Or is that just an 'urban legend'?

It is an urban legend. People got all excited because the wind reading was 2.0 mps as if that is rare--you see it about 10 times in any track meet. It ws not a foul.

I recall it being discussed around here that the wind gauge was 'stuck' on 2.0 - that most/all jumps came in at 2.0. If true that would be unusual.

[tandfman]

I question whether it is even an "urban legend." Like gh, I've never seen it in print or heard it said that the jump was a foul.

[Powell]

It is an urban legend. People got all excited because the wind reading was 2.0 mps as if that is rare--you see it about 10 times in any track meet. It ws not a foul.

Please give me one example of a meet other than Mexico where there were 10 readings of +2.0.

[tafnut]

I question whether it is even an "urban legend." Like gh, I've never seen it in print or heard it said that the jump was a foul.

I didn't make it up, but if you and gh never heard it, then it's assuredly false. What I remember reading (no idea where) was that just the tip of the shoe broke the plane and wasn't called a foul when they saw how far it was. Anyone recall whether his plant really was all the way up on the board? The jump is on Youtube, but you can't tell where his foot-strike is.

[tandfman]

It is an urban legend. People got all excited because the wind reading was 2.0 mps as if that is rare--you see it about 10 times in any track meet. It ws not a foul.

Please give me one example of a meet other than Mexico where there were 10 readings of +2.0.

Or a meet other than Mexico where there were four World Records in the horizontal jumps (and another in the women's 200m) with wind readings of +2.0.

[Daisy]

I question whether it is even an "urban legend." Like gh, I've never seen it in print or heard it said that the jump was a foul.

Is it possible his tendancy to foul has been projected onto his famous jump too?

While looking around for any possible reference to such an urgan legend (found none) I came across these prose that really catch the moment well.

Source of this quote is the Sportstar Weekly (from the publishers of THE HINDU)

DOWN MEMORY LANE: The magic leap by GULU EZEKIEL VOL.29 :: NO.33 :: Aug. 19, 2006

For 20 seconds Beamon stood at the top of the runway, deep in thought and telling himself over and over again, "Don't foul, don't foul." Then he raced down the runway, hit the take-off board perfectly and sailed through the air effortlessly. He hit the sand so hard that he bounced up and landed outside the pit.

Instantly Boston knew it was special. He turned to Davies and said, "That's over 28 feet." Davies was stunned. "With his first jump? No, it can't be." The optical measuring device used to check the distance fell off the railing! An official muttered awe-struck, "fantastic, fantastic." An old-fashioned steel tape was called for. Then the distance was flashed on the electronic scoreboard: 8.90 metres. Beamon knew it was a record, but was unfamiliar with the metric system and had to check with Boston, who held both the Olympic and world records. Even as they embraced his compatriot told him, "Bob, you jumped 29 feet." The rest of the field was stunned. Ter-Ovanesyan said to Davies, "Compared to this jump, we are as children."

Davies, the defending champion, was crushed. "I can't go on. What is the point? We'll all look silly," he told Boston. Then in despair he turned to Beamon and said, "You have destroyed this event." By now the jump had been officially converted to 29 feet two-and-a-half inches and now the feat finally began to sink in.

[gh]

I question whether it is even an "urban legend." Like gh, I've never seen it in print or heard it said that the jump was a foul.

I didn't make it up, but if you and gh never heard it, then it's assuredly false. What I remember reading (no idea where) was that just the tip of the shoe broke the plane and wasn't called a foul when they saw how far it was. Anyone recall whether his plant really was all the way up on the board? The jump is on Youtube, but you can't tell where his foot-strike is.

T&FN coverage says "hit the board perfectly." Moving along...