What first 5K sub 14 or mile 4:05?

[Jnathletics]

I was going to ask the question what would be first for Women to break, the sub 14:00 5k or sub 4:00 for the mile, but after reviewing the IAAF scoring system, it appears that a sub 14 = sub 4:05.

IAAF scoring
1500 mile 5k
1309 3:47.45 - 4:04.76 - 13:59.83
1347 3:42.94 - 3:59.96 - 13:41.67

I guess a better question would be when. But I think we've done that before. :?

[EPelle]

There aren:t any Masterkova:s out there right now -- Jamal has the sub-3.57/sub-8.30, but has no tested 800m speed. She has run enough of them over the past three years to state that she has used it as speed training and has markers by which to judge her against others. I don:t see an answer for none of the above, so I:ve chosen sub-14.00.

[Jnathletics]

... I don:t see an answer for none of the above, so I:ve chosen sub-14.00.

? So, you don't believe Women will ever achieve these marks? :? :shock:

[EPelle]

I:ve never been one to say, never in my lifetime, as I still believe someon will break 19,32 in the next 3-4 seasons. I don:t, however, believe any of the tims above will be breached in the same time period. How:s that?! :-)

[tafnut]

The 5K will go soonish. The others? Not so much.

[Pego]

At the men's European Championship in 1950, 3:47.45 would be a close second (Slijkhuis 3:47.2), while 13:59.83 would have won it.
BTW, Defar would have been a distant second.
I voted 5000.

[Half Miler]

So, you don't believe Women will ever achieve these marks? :? :shock:

Not until they find a replacement for caterpillar fungus and turtle soup!

[Bruce Kritzler]

Don't think anything is going to happen in the mile, because it is run so seldom on the women's side. Looks like, after Oslo, 14:00 and 3:50 may happen about the same time.

[ponytayne]

considering that 14:16.63 on friday by Defar, with Cheruiot in 14:22...and the rate at which those records are dropping, I'd say 14 will go first.

[midnightsun]

It has to be said that the 5000 record is going every year now because it was so soft given the big names' strength, that God knows how it stood at 14'28"09 and then 14'24"68 miraculously for so long.
14'28"09 should have been bettered in the Gabi era (98-01) and then by Paula in Berlin 2001 and/or Adere/Wami/etc in the same period.
Then the current crop of young Ethiopians have been toying around the 14'30" mark unleashing 58" last laps for so long that it was so evident that they were so far from an all-out run (Brussels 2005 and 2006 prime examples of that, where in the latter case Tirunesh finished in 14'30 with a disgraceful 3'12"!!!! 4th km, in which she refused to keep up the WR pace after she and Defy had agreed on that).

Now 14'16"63 we're talking business!

[eldrick]

manuit

in that paula race in berlin, wami stuck to her like a shadow & i'm extremely doubtful if paula couda burned her off ( they both slowed allowing yego to catch them back up & outsprint them )

paula was well capable of breaking the wr that day, but she wouda still been looking at wami's backside in the home-stretch - remember she'd run a ?solo 14'30.88 the year before

i must add though, i think tulu, wami, adere were all capable of running this kinda time at their peak, but lack of opportunity/self-belief stopped them :

they all had close to 56s open 400 speed & 30'00 flat ability ( adere 30'04, tulu running 30'17 in sydney when all she wanted was the win & willing/able to follow any pace upto 30'00 flat to do it & similarly wami in '99 sprinting past paula in hot weather in 30'24 )

if you put diby, defar, tulu, adere, wami all at their peak in the same 5k paced wr attempt, i'd take the ole-timers to fill at least top 2 positions ( & probably well below 14'15 )

[Flumpy]

It should have been Paula's at the Commomwealths in '02 but a really slow first lap ruined it. She also only missed it by a second at Euro Cup in Bydgoszcz in '04 which was asolo run with obviously no pacemakers. Plenty of people could of beaten it from '98 (Gabi, Berhane, Yego etc) onwards but they were all too afraid of being outkicked and losing not just the race but the record as well.

[Flumpy]

if you put diby, defar, tulu, adere, wami all at their peak in the same 5k paced wr attempt, i'd take the ole-timers to fill at least top 2 positions ( & probably well below 14'15 )

If you put all of them in a race together they'd all slow down to preserve their finishing kicks and it would be won in14.40 something.

[26mi235]

if you put diby, defar, tulu, adere, wami all at their peak in the same 5k paced wr attempt, i'd take the ole-timers to fill at least top 2 positions ( & probably well below 14'15 )

If you put all of them in a race together they'd all slow down to preserve their finishing kicks and it would be won in14.40 something.

They need to promise not only a goodly amount for breaking the record, but a almost as large amount for being second if also under the record (and even a bonus for third, etc. The marathons do this with time bonuses for times under certain markers, even if not first. Now why would they do that?

[eldrick]

if you put diby, defar, tulu, adere, wami all at their peak in the same 5k paced wr attempt, i'd take the ole-timers to fill at least top 2 positions ( & probably well below 14'15 )

If you put all of them in a race together they'd all slow down to preserve their finishing kicks and it would be won in14.40 something.