2007 Athletissima (Lausanne) M-200m (19,78 Gay)

[EPelle]

Tyson the Typhoon Threatens Record Run

[tafnut]

Merritt and Wariner are not only 5 sigma talents at 400m, if either or both focused exclusively on the 200m they would be consistently sub20

Have you ever LOOKED at JW? I said 2 years ago when word came out that Hart was going to get him into more 200s, and fans like you were foaming at the mouth at the prospect, he is NOT a sprint stud and sub-20 is not a given with him. Only sprint studs get under 20 consistently. He's a kid who IS fast (20.19 is cookin'), but has the innate talent and the excellent coaching to maintain his speed much longer than ANY of his peers. THAT'S his talent. I expect that sooner or later he'll get in the right race at the right time and MAYBE duck under 20, by the sheer will of Clyde Hart, but JW is NOT a Speed Merchant. Merritt, on the other hand, does have more potential in the 2, but as you say, unless he focuses on the 2, which would be rather stupid right now, given the plethora of 2-talent and the paucity of 4-talent, he's going to have a hard time getting under 20 consistently.

[paulthefan]

Merritt and Wariner are not only 5 sigma talents at 400m, if either or both focused exclusively on the 200m they would be consistently sub20

Have you ever LOOKED at JW?

no, please pray tell what does he look like?... let me guess he looks more like Tommie than MJ?

... he is NOT a sprint stud and sub-20 is not a given with him. Only sprint studs get under 20 consistently. He's a kid who IS fast (20.19 is cookin'), but has the innate talent and the excellent coaching to maintain his speed much longer than ANY of his peers.

The number 4, US 200m man is not a sprint stud?... Could the fact that he trains in large part as a 400m specialist be a significant cause of that?

.. but JW is NOT a Speed Merchant. Merritt, on the other hand, does have more potential in the 2, but as you say, unless he focuses on the 2, which would be rather stupid right now, given the plethora of 2-talent and the paucity of 4-talent, he's going to have a hard time getting under 20 consistently.

how much difference is there between these two at 200m.. not much at all and if Hart is more of an overdistance trainer than others that margin is understandable.

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Note from the editor/moderator. It was brought to my attention that the intitial post in this thread, while wonderfully impressive visually, contained no end of copyrighted photos improperly reproduced. They have been removed.

A request to all posters: just because you can pull an image off somebody else's site and link it to here, that doesn't make it kosher. Please don't do it. T&FN does not, can not, and will not condone illegal usage of other people's material. (And please don't anyone try to tell me that pictures from USA Today, for example, or say, Getty Images, are for some reason exempt from copyright violation.)

Thanks for your understanding.

[EPelle]

...(And please don't anyone try to tell me that pictures from USA Today, for example, or say, Getty Images, are for some reason exempt from copyright violation.)...

I:m not sure anyone would argue that with you. It twas I who was the originator, and I have not a reason to make such a declaration.

For consistency:s and clarity:s sake, however, how did this differ, from, say, another thread where junior women are all compared to one another and fotos are used to show who they are? Or other fotos remain which are "borrowed" from source with a gigantic copyright imprint with no mention of source -- threads in which you have participated but merely asked folks to cut down on file size? Aftonbladet fotos -- the hundred or so which are here -- remain without being construed as copyright violations. Is it because the source has been named?

[gh]

Neither Ben nor I (nor we combined) have the time/inclination to vet the image tags on every picture that gets put up. (Or to view every youtube link that is posted.) So we trust in the good intentions of our Board members to self-police and follow the rules. And the system generally works. And if something small slips through now and then, we be laissez-faire and take the NBA route: no harm, no foul.

But w/ the comix-covers thread and this thread (8 pictures in one single post), the alarm bells go off. Straw that breaks.....

As to the contention that some pics have big clear copyright notices on them, that doesn't fly either. You wouldn't cut and paste an entire 20-paragraph story, even if it had author's name, site name, and copyright notice on it.

Why should a photographer's work be accorded less respect? (to say nothing of legal rights)

[EPelle]

...As to the contention that some pics have big clear copyright notices on them, that doesn't fly either. You wouldn't cut and paste an entire 20-paragraph story, even if it had author's name, site name, and copyright notice on it.

Why should a photographer's work be accorded less respect? (to say nothing of legal rights)

Recognise this? "If you're not a true track person (and very few at the HS level are), what seems illogical is to have a race that starts 10m (or 20m) before the finish line, then does an even number of laps. It would also make little sense to those people to run all but two races in meters. Either you switch or you don't."

You were a few posts under the original thread which had, what, five fotos and "borrowed" flags from another source in the initial post? So eight is enough, I see... it would have served me well to have watched that television programme at some point in life :roll: This isn:t asking to remove the other, rather why the inconsistency when you, clearly, had seen the same, namely "borrowed" fotos and didn:t move on your policing then.

Regarding the copyright ones, we:ve policed those, ourselves.

Nonetheless, you:re arguing with yourself here... I simply wanted an explanation as to the inconsistency. Your bh/gh policing argument doesn:t hold water, because you:ve participated in threads where fotos have been bandied about non-NBA style :wink:

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I'm not arguing with anybody; I'm dictating policy. If you'd simply like us to disable the ability to post art at all, we can certainly do that. That's certainly what you're asking for. Now kindly vacate this subject and let people discuss Rome. Thank you very much.

[Mennisco]

Does anyone know if a split was taken for Gay at 100, and if so, what it was?

[EPelle]

People are discussing Rome on the Rome threads where the Rome action is. I:m not asking to remove this function, rather again asked for clarity as to a perceived inconsistency. I didn:t get a real answer to my question, but that:s the way you play. No problem. Enjoy Rome.

[tafnut]

I'm not arguing with anybody; I'm dictating policy. If you'd simply like us to disable the ability to post art at all, we can certainly do that. That's certainly what you're asking for. Now kindly vacate this subject and let people discuss Rome. Thank you very much.

If your intent is to make me totally make me paranoid about ever posting a graphic again, you've succeeded. Please just answer this one question, and I'm sure there are many other posters who want to know. Other than a photo I've taken myself, what images from the web ARE legal here?

Signed,
Sincerely Trying To Be a Good Guest

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what part of let it go do you guys not understand? (As in, if this bounces atop a current news topic again, the poster is on vacation)

[EPelle]

So if Gay ran 19,78 in Lausanne, can he run half the distance in 9,89 in his next race? He didn:t follow suit last year, running 10,04 in Rome, but then 9,88 with a +2,0 in his race after that. Reason to skip Rome tonight?