Gibilisco Suspended Two Years [again]

[EPelle]

Gibilisco is mainly being punished for his association with Santuccione. He's among a growing list of Italian athletes suspended for doping without testing positive.

The case against Gibilisco is built mainly on phone wiretaps. But CONI's anti-doping prosecutor Franco Cosenza said a diary taken from Gibilisco allegedly contained codes for doping substances.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/m ... index.html

[Mats Nilsson]

Sad news for the track and field community indeed that yet another world-class athlete is associated with "dirty doctors/labs". Phone taps + diary amounts to pretty convincing evidence against him I would presume. I wished WADA had the cojones to do this with all athletes associated with BALCO labs as well.

[gh]

"sad" news? The eagerness with which you rush to post every bit of drug dirt you can leads me to believe that this plus the Bulgos makes this the biggest rush you've had all year.

[EPelle]

What the hell is your problem? What is the drug-to-results/news ratio?

Nevermind, gh, it:s not worth it.

[Flumpy]

I wished WADA had the cojones to do this with all athletes associated with BALCO labs as well.

Absolutely. I've never understood why a positive test is the only evidence that is admissable in order to convict someone of taking drugs.

It's like saying that in order to convict someone of murder you have to have a photograph of them standing over the body, bloody knife in hand.

I'm far more convinced by the masses of circumstancial evidence of Mazza's guilt than I am by Dieter Baumann's nandrolone +ive.

[mojo]

It is sad news for Epelle (and all of us) because he loves this sport very much and hates the thought of it being tainted by cheaters.


You haven't read his posts here if you think he is jumping up and down with glee.

:roll: :roll:

[EPelle]

It's like saying that in order to convict someone of murder you have to have a photograph of them standing over the body, bloody knife in hand.

Funny you should mention fotos and evidence... this just ended up in one of my inboxes:

Pictures are supposed to be worth a thousand words. But a picture unaccompanied by words may not mean anything at all. Do pictures provide evidence? And if so, evidence of what? And, of course, the underlying question: do they tell the truth?

http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/

[guru]

"sad" news? The eagerness with which you rush to post every bit of drug dirt you can leads me to believe that this plus the Bulgos makes this the biggest rush you've had all year.

Hey gh, some people who appreciate fair, clean competition DO rejoice when the cheaters are caught. Perhaps YOU are NOT one who does(appreciate clean competition). After all, better athletes make more interesting competitions, which sells magazines, right?

Take off the rose-colored glasses and chill.

[gh]

If I were that concerned about impact on magazine sales I wouldn't have made it the top headline on the front page 10 seconds after I was first able to post it.

[tafnut]

I know that T&FN is constantly accused of 'ignoring' the Drug Problem, but let's face it, would you rather have a coupla pages about all the (now-old) drug news (which you can read all about here, not to mention everywhere else in the mainstream media), or would you rather have more competition profiles and pictures? I'd vote the latter. Far be it for me to 'explain' the magazine's content decisions, but it strikes me that most readers don't really want/need anything beyond a recap of the drug headlines, for reference sake. That's what the magazine really ends up being for me in the internet age (where I can get all the news/results I want instantaneously): an archive of what happened and the stories behind the news/results.

[marknhj]

"sad" news? The eagerness with which you rush to post every bit of drug dirt you can leads me to believe that this plus the Bulgos makes this the biggest rush you've had all year.

It makes me sad that you choose to make this post. Are we meant to just ignore drugs in sport? If you don't like it on this board why don't you reopen the doping board so those who are interested in reading who the latest to be caught are, and those who prefer to pretend it's not still going on can ignore it and jolly along with their rose-colored specs?

[tafnut]

Are we meant to just ignore drugs in sport? If you don't like it on this board why don't you reopen the doping board so those who are interested in reading who the latest to be caught are, and those who prefer to pretend it's not still going on can ignore it and jolly along with their rose-colored specs?

I agree with Mark. I know the 'Drug Board' got closed cuz it's a pain in the butt to have to constantly enforce the Board Guidelines for unsubstantiated allegations, but PEDs is a big reality in our little corner of the world, and SHOULD be spotlighted in an effort, however feeble, to try and bring more light to shine on the problem. PEDs is our reality for the foreseeable future, no matter how much we don't want to deal with it. THIS board, T&FN, is the de facto center of the T&F cyber-world as far as I can tell. It should WANT to lead the fight against PEDs, at least on the internet.

[EPelle]

gh complains about some perceived high proportion of drugs discussion or posting, yet he posts each and every article from those initiated threads on the front-page every time he gets an opportunity to do so. What is he doing to the world on his front page that I am doing for the board? Linking a news story of note.

That doping stories would be the highlight of my day when there is an athletics event going on simultaneously is beyond belief... where is most of the posting today?

He has no idea how long I have news sources before posting them, especially with PED stories. I check 3-4 sources before deciding that a story is valid. How that posting within 10 seconds of being able to do so, I haven:t the slightest idea.

[SQUACKEE]

I find it strange that on a Track and field messageboard we have a thread on Hendrix opening for the Monkeys but breaking news on track and field drug cheaters seems to be considered unimportant. :?

[mojo]

Did the year old Bulgarian 4x4 thread get bumped up with the same glee Epelle is accused of having?

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