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    Also, I do not trust czech athletes jan and roman.
    http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=2/newsld=23559.html

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    >Yeah, that stuff that Zelezny was on must've been worth at least 80m of that 98.48m throw....JEEZ, what a dumb ass you are!!! Having thrown 58.20m at my competion size of 1.68m/80kg, I can tell you under no uncertain terms that NO AMOUNT of drugs would've ever gotten me out to 80m....not a chance in hades!

    No amount of drugs would of got u over 80m? Exactly, thats what Zelenzy has, not drugs, but good GENTETICS! Zelenzy is 1.87m tall, weighs around 80kg and could probably keep up with 10second 100m runners over the first 20-30m. You cannot just take someone and coach them for 5 years in the javelin, then expect 70m. You have to have the genetic material to throw that far. GO look at videos of Zelenzy, look at the positons he manages to pull his shoulder into. How many javelin throwers can do that? This man is special, don't call him a drugged up Czech, just genetically superior to everyone. Makarov is very similar to Zelenzy in talent. If every 6 foot 2 guy weighing 80kg could drug up and throw 80m, why are there so few people who can throw that far????? Cause there certainly heaps of athletes who do take drugs, thats the sad bit. If I am not mistaken, Zelenzy can clean around 160kg?

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    hey sir. kurt and others,
    MY NAME is not tony or andy. MY REAL NAME IS KING OF JAVELIN OR REAL KING OF OLYMPIA.
    See you soon!

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    Mark:

    I agree with your statement....Tony's obviously a dufus when it comes to the field events. I bet he's never even watched a javelin thrown in person. People like him remind me of all the arm-chair athletes that we have populating this country watching NASCAR, "Survivor", and other sundry so-called "athletic" endeavors. But, I digress here

    Kurt

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    Tony, relax partner. Your
    >link was dead, but I found and read the article
    >you intended me to see. I'll deduce from your
    >strange message that you believe the 800g weight
    >of the old javelin was increased with the
    >introduction of the new jav. Not true. Still
    >800g.
    If you had actually read the article
    >you're pushing, you'd realize only the balance
    >point was changed. The center mass was moved
    >forward 4 cm to aid in the jav turning over
    >faster in flight, thus shortening the throw and
    >making it easier to mark.
    Bottom line, an 800g
    >javelin is not heavy enough to warrant a big
    >thrower. A lightening fast arm will suffice.
    >And you're clearly ignorant of the event.

    Better read the article. It's life! jan zelezny? is gone or dead.
    http://www.coachr.org/javrevision.html

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    Ignorance?
    >what...f*ck Javelin was not change in size mr.
    >decafan. The reason that why javelin was change
    >is...
    watch
    >here,
    http://www.coach.org/javrevision.html

    Tony, relax partner. Your link was dead, but I found and read the article you intended me to see. I'll deduce from your strange message that you believe the 800g weight of the old javelin was increased with the introduction of the new jav. Not true. Still 800g.
    If you had actually read the article you're pushing, you'd realize only the balance point was changed. The center mass was moved forward 4 cm to aid in the jav turning over faster in flight, thus shortening the throw and making it easier to mark.
    Bottom line, an 800g javelin is not heavy enough to warrant a big thrower. A lightening fast arm will suffice. And you're clearly ignorant of the event.

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    Tony

    Tony, whether Zelezny is
    >cheating or not, your statement beautifully
    >illustrates your ignorance of the javelin. Size
    >doesn't matter in the jav. It's about technique
    >and speed.
    BTW, 30 isn't old.

    Ignorance? what...f*ck Javelin was not change in size mr. decafan. The reason that why javelin was change is...
    watch here,
    http://www.coach.org/javrevision.html

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  • Per Andersen
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    It is truly amazing that there are "track&field fans" who find it more interesting to speculate about what Zelezny is on than to study his technique and see what he gets out of his cross step and how fast he gets down his left leg. Nobody does it better.
    It is a sad state of affairs that we can hardly bring up the name of one class athlete before somebody throws out these insane drug accusations.

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  • Hunter
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    I agree with the previous couple posts. The jav is more about speed, flexibility and technique than size and strength

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    >
    The amount of
    >ignorance expressed on these forums is staggering
    >for people who claim to be track
    >knowledgeable.

    Kurt Francis
    Throws Coach -
    >Wilmington College, OH

    Kurt...he's obviously not field knowledgable...

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    Tony:

    Yeah, that stuff that Zelezny was on must've been worth at least 80m of that 98.48m throw....JEEZ, what a dumb ass you are!!! Having thrown 58.20m at my competion size of 1.68m/80kg, I can tell you under no uncertain terms that NO AMOUNT of drugs would've ever gotten me out to 80m....not a chance in hades!

    The amount of ignorance expressed on these forums is staggering for people who claim to be track knowledgeable.

    Kurt Francis
    Throws Coach - Wilmington College, OH

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    >I believe that jan zelnzy 70 kg at age 30 could
    >be better a marathon runner than a javelin
    >thrower. So, I do not trust his 98.48m with that
    >new javelin modeling or construction.

    jan is a
    >BIG CHEATER.

    Tony

    Tony, whether Zelezny is cheating or not, your statement beautifully illustrates your ignorance of the javelin. Size doesn't matter in the jav. It's about technique and speed.
    BTW, 30 isn't old.

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    I believe that jan zelnzy 70 kg at age 30 could be better a marathon runner than a javelin thrower. So, I do not trust his 98.48m with that new javelin modeling or construction.

    jan is a BIG CHEATER.

    Tony

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    What is Jan's height? I assume Janis Lusis was about the same size at about 1.80 m, 85 kg. The weight is probably of the 1968-1972 period, when with heavy weight training, he weighed much more than in 1962-64, when he first arrived as a top level thrower. And the third of the "great triumvirate" (Matti Jarvinen), weighed in at about the same dimensions - "ideal" for javelin throwing?

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  • Powell
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    He's listed as 88 kg on Tilastopaja. He might have been a few kg's lighter a few years ago, but certainly over 80. He's not huge, but then again, you don't have to be huge to be a javelin thrower - quite a few of the top guys are relatively thin. I guess Aleksandr Ivanov is the best example.

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