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  • #31
    The dealbreaker is that Ryun DID set the WR, not look like he would. (Personally, I never thought of Padilla as a potential WR guy.)

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    • #32
      I skipped 2:07, 2:06 and 2:05 when I set my soph PR of 2:04.5 in high-school.

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      • #33
        Did anyone ever skip 1:44s?

        I was on TAFNOT in 1984. My memory says that Roberto Quercertani cited Cruz's 1:45, 1:44, 1:43, 1:42 (almost) AFTER he won the 800. A lot of Oregon/Nike people were there, but I don't remember his coach from Oregon (Bowerman or Dellinger) or his coach from Brazil speakng at the TAFNOT lunches at USC or at the banquet.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by gh
          It's not a 1:44-skip, but but I'll be shocked if somebody can top this one:

          Jim Ryun (both times 880y) from 1:50.3 as a high school junior to a World Record 1:44.9 as a college frosh! (1:49.7 to 1:44.3) Although he did run a 1:47.7 relay leg as a HS senior (and 1:50.5 in the open).

          The 1:44.9 was his first 2-lap final of the year and only the eighth of his life.

          Just more reasons why he's still atop my all-time hypothetical mile race.
          I have always been amazed by what Ryun did as well. For the last 25 years I have wondered what he would have been able to do in his prime in the 1500/mile on a synthetic track with a modern training regimen. When he set the world record in '67, he ran that race almost entirely alone (at least the last 880) and finished like it was a "walk in the park". I can only fathom how much faster he could have run that night under better conditions.....

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          • #35
            Did anyone ever "skip" 1:44s?

            I agree 100%. Ryun's splits were 53.3 - 51.6! I was at the AAU in Bakersfield in 1967. He led all the way in one of the last events of the meet on a dirt track. He also destroyed Keino in a 1500 in the LA Coliseum in July. Their time was 46 with 1320 left & he still broke Elliott's WR!
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            • #36
              Originally posted by gh
              The dealbreaker is that Ryun DID set the WR, not look like he would. (Personally, I never thought of Padilla as a potential WR guy.)
              Just cuz Ryun broke a soft record, doesn't make everyone else a piker.

              Doug Padilla break a WR? Hell no.
              Jose Parilla? How can a guy go from absolutely nowhere to 1:43 in 15 months as a teen with minimal training and not have potential. (Not to mention his perfect form, svelte high-split physique and arguably the best stride in history.)

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              • #37
                Thanks everyone for a great thread out of the blue.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by trackjudge
                  Originally posted by gh
                  The dealbreaker is that Ryun DID set the WR, not look like he would. (Personally, I never thought of Padilla as a potential WR guy.)
                  Just cuz Ryun broke a soft record, doesn't make everyone else a piker.
                  i'd hardly call ryun's 1'44.3=wr, a "soft record"

                  snell originally ran 1'44.3 in '62 & it was 4y before ryun tied it

                  more pertinently, snell's original time from '62 wasn't beaten until '73, 11y later when wohl ran 1'44.6y ( = 1'44.0 converted )

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by yung4evr
                    For the last 25 years I have wondered what he would have been able to do in his prime in the 1500/mile on a synthetic track with a modern training regimen
                    i'd wager good money that he'd go 3'27+ on a modern track in an ideally paced race, just off his '67 training

                    with benefits of modern training/nutrition you'd have to decide how much more to take off from there - probably some number of whole seconds

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                    • #40
                      (Post it. ) (No, don't.) (Yeah, yeah, post it. )(Better not. ops(Come on, you know you want to! :twisted: )(You'll regret it. :cry: )

                      Do ya think Wariner will skip 1:44 when he moves up to the 800??

                      :roll:

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by trackjudge
                        Originally posted by gh
                        The dealbreaker is that Ryun DID set the WR, not look like he would. (Personally, I never thought of Padilla as a potential WR guy.)
                        Just cuz Ryun broke a soft record, doesn't make everyone else a piker.

                        Doug Padilla break a WR? Hell no.
                        Jose Parilla? How can a guy go from absolutely nowhere to 1:43 in 15 months as a teen with minimal training and not have potential. (Not to mention his perfect form, svelte high-split physique and arguably the best stride in history.)
                        That's gotta be the first time in history anybody ever called a Peter Snell World Record soft!!!!

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                        • #42
                          Lots of comments on Ryun's world record but no mention of one of its other remarkable aspects--it was his second 880 that day, the first being his qualifier some two hours earlier.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Pierre-Jean
                            Originally posted by Mennisco
                            Not a question of skipping the 44s, but probably everything from the 54s on up to the 57s or higher. Jarmila Kratochvilova had only run three 800 meter races before her WR 1:53.28 in Munich '83. What were those times?
                            1:56.59 Praha 18.09.1982
                            1:58.33i Jablonec 12.01.1983
                            1:53.28 M√ľnchen 26.07.1983
                            Actually she had some 800m attempts during the '70s something like 2:09 her career record is listed in ATFS 87 if someone would mind to check... In 1982 she ran 11.10 at 100m, can you imagine Brianna Glenn or Muna Lee (11.10 thi season) running 1:56? Nobody has dipped under 1:58 yet by the way, but it might change after RUS nationals...
                            Thanks PJ! So she had only 2 800s prior to the WR, and 1:56.29 was outing number one? Sheesh!

                            There are plenty of threads around here trying to compare sprinters of different eras - what if so and so had all the advantages of modern sprinters. Well, what if so and so had been a man or a woman, how would they compare to so and so who already was a man or a woman? :wink:
                            Take good care of yourself.

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                            • #44
                              Everyone keeps coming back to Ryun! Yes he was a great runner, yes he had the potential to run faster, and no, the 800m record by Snell was not a week one.
                              But how can one state he would run 3:27 (6 seconds inside his pb!) in an ideally paced race on a modern track based on a 5k pb of 13:38!?

                              It's ok to give Ryun the benefit of a 6 second improvement, but not Coe a 2 second improvement based on a specific mathematical equation? Surely with inferior basic speed than Coe, Ryun would need far greater endurance and should have been able to run almost 13:00 for 5k, if he were capable of 3:27; which he never did. If an equation is applied to one, then surely it must be applied to all.

                              I suppose someone is now going to tell me that Ryun's 5k time would have been 40 seconds faster on a proper track!!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by deanouk
                                Everyone keeps coming back to Ryun! Yes he was a great runner, yes he had the potential to run faster, and no, the 800m record by Snell was not a week one. But how can one state he would run 3:27 (6 seconds inside his pb!) in an ideally paced race on a modern track based on a 5k pb of 13:38!?
                                Don't you think that over the years, there's been an accumulation of knowledge that has resulted in superior training strategies/regimens? Doesn't this account for some of the improvement in human performance?
                                Take good care of yourself.

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