Stockholm m3000

[George P.]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

[26mi235]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

He had a GOOD time. Good times even from great athletes ain't going to get sub-7:20. Absolutely everything has to be perfect to have a chance, especially since it might be a little outside is optimal range (5000/10,000 WRs, and multiple XC firsts where even 4000m plays longer and 12,000 IS long.

[eldrick]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

el g ran 3'26.00 with pacers

care to name us his fastest ever "solo" gun-to-tape 1500 ?

[George P.]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

el g ran 3'26.00 with pacers

care to name us his fastest ever "solo" gun-to-tape 1500 ?

Athletes train and compete (and are coached) according to the conventional wisdom of their era. But occasionally a new, better, way is discovered and the conventional wisdom (usually gradually and reluctantly) adapts.

Just because something was not done is no proof at all that it could not have been done, had a different convention been ascendant. (Enough! This is cutting into my "Scotch hour". :wink: )

[kuha]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

I don't share your "beef" here. You'd apparently prefer that Bekele show us (yet again) what we ALREADY know to be true: that, when reasonably fit, he can thrash just about any field imaginable, and run a fast time to boot...whether it's 7:38 or 7:28. I, on the other hand, am more interested in what I/we do NOT already know: whether he can, with something like "decent" conditions and pacing assistance, challenge the very top of the all-time list.

The problem lies, in part, in conceiving of a 7:25 as a "failure" somehow. It may not be the MOST desired goal, but it's certainly no failure.

[eldrick]

[quote=George P.]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

el g ran 3'26.00 with pacers

care to name us his fastest ever "solo" gun-to-tape 1500 ?

Athletes train and compete (and are coached) according to the conventional wisdom of their era. But occasionally a new, better, way is discovered and the conventional wisdom (usually gradually and reluctantly) adapts.

Just because something was not done is no proof at all that it could not have been done, had a different convention been ascendant. (Enough! This is cutting into my "Scotch hour". :wink: )[/quote:19praepc]

bayi ran a solo 3'32.16wr smashing ryun's 3'33.1wr

that was the paradigm

funny, 33y later, no one since tried to set the 1500wr with same method...

[SQUACKEE]

[quote8. I, on the other hand, am more interested in what I/we do NOT already know: whether he can, with something like "decent" conditions and pacing assistance, challenge the very top of the all-time list.

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Kuha i am humbled by your clarity. Bek, when on is not beatable today by anyone. BUT what can he run, with the same advantages as the fastest of the fast. Thats yet to be established at 3000m. Ahead of him are 2 runners. Komen and El g. He cant race them but he can race against their times and i cant think of anything more exciting than watching Bek follow a rabbit thru 2,000m in 4:54 and looking good!

[Master Po]

there is physics conjecture that good pacing + tucking in close can save you close to 1s/lap from aerodynamic effect

:roll: Big friggin' deal! ...

George P. has a "conjecture" that if a champion goes out and attacks the race with a view to his/her training, coaching and present cababilities, a splendid time may (under good conditions) result.

I don't share your "beef" here. You'd apparently prefer that Bekele show us (yet again) what we ALREADY know to be true: that, when reasonably fit, he can thrash just about any field imaginable, and run a fast time to boot...whether it's 7:38 or 7:28. I, on the other hand, am more interested in what I/we do NOT already know: whether he can, with something like "decent" conditions and pacing assistance, challenge the very top of the all-time list.

The problem lies, in part, in conceiving of a 7:25 as a "failure" somehow. It may not be the MOST desired goal, but it's certainly no failure.

Agree wholeheartedly w kuha's last point -- I too would be happy to see what Bekele, or any great runner, can do in ideal conditions (eg, perfect pacing, etc.), but this performance was still something special. Per pela2's lists, this is:

a PB for Bekele,
the #8 all time performance,
which moves him from #7 to # 6 all time performer.

Not too bad. I'll bet even KB likes getting a new PB

And, until the day he races through the 7:20 barrier, we can all still have the pleasure of anticipating perfection from this great athlete!

[eldrick]

& a mere ~ 3/4s wouda got him to #3

i very much doubt he's breaking open the buds tonight

more like get jos to find him a 44, so he can "congratulate" some broke-dick wabbits...

[pela2]

What was Bek's 2000m split? 4:59 something...

[midnightsun]

4'59"88 shown on tv

[26mi235]

4'59"88 shown on tv

Last year, Tegenkamp came through 2000 in about 4:59.1 and he was about 3rd or 4th.