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[Jnathletics]

1cm big deal. I'm positive if the bar was set at 2.07 instead of 2.06 for those others 2 of the 3 would have cleared it.

Actually 1cm is a big deal. Those 2.06 jumps you are referring to would only have been possible clearences at 2.07 if the 2.06 clearences were made without the bar being touched.

No it's not. Are you going to be happy if Vlasic attempts 2.08 until she makes that and then 2.09 until she makes that? NO!

She now is going to move up to 2.10 everytime she has a chance. That's why Bergqvist never cleared 2.07. She made 2.06 and never attempted 2.07, all her attempts after she won were at 2.10. If 1 cm was a big deal they would keep moving their PB's up by that much.

Vlasic's PB will now sit at 2.07 she will never attempt 2.08 or 2.09. Her only hope for a new PB will be by clearing 2.10.

Plus, are you happy when Isin moves the WR up by 1cm? I know everyone was overjoyed with Bubka everytime he moved the WR up by 1 cm. :roll:

[marknhj]

ok - I've been patient. jnathletics, why don't you restrict yourself to posting about events that you may know something about? You're making yourself look like a complete idiot.

[Jnathletics]

ok - I've been patient. jnathletics, why don't you restrict yourself to posting about events that you may know something about? You're making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Nice, if your so much my intellectual superior, why don't you educate me where I'm wrong.

Did Bergqvist ever attempt 2.07 after she cleared 2.06? How about Cloete? I'll do some digging but I recall Bergqvist trying 2.10 2 or 3 times in 03 & 05, but never 2.07.

Turns out (but you never pointed anything out) that she tried 2.07 at WAF in 05 to break the meet record. But on my side is WC 03 Cloete wins 2.06 goes for 2.10, WC 05 Bergqvist wins 2.02 moves up to 2.10 no hieghts in between, Oly 04 Slesarenko wins 2.06 goes for 2.10. That's 3-1 in my favor, how do I sound like an idiot now? If 1 cm is so important Slesarenko would have jumped 2.07 or 2.08 as her 2.06 is the olympic record.

[26mi235]

ok - I've been patient. jnathletics, why don't you restrict yourself to posting about events that you may know something about? You're making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Nice, if your so much my intellectual superior, why don't you educate me where I'm wrong.

Did Bergqvist ever attempt 2.07 after she cleared 2.06? How about Cloete? I'll do some digging but I recall Bergqvist trying 2.10 2 or 3 times in 03 & 05, but never 2.07.

Turns out (but you never pointed anything out) that she tried 2.07 at WAF in 05 to break the meet record. But on my side is WC 03 Cloete wins 2.06 goes for 2.10, WC 05 Bergqvist wins 2.02 moves up to 2.10 no hieghts in between, Oly 04 Slesarenko wins 2.06 goes for 2.10. That's 3-1 in my favor, how do I sound like an idiot now? If 1 cm is so important Slesarenko would have jumped 2.07 or 2.08 as her 2.06 is the olympic record.

Your 'evidence' isn't (evidence). One cm is big at the very top because there is little slack in the technique end and they are lifting their max. You are saying 1 cm is not big because they always go for the WR when they get to chose. You did not indicate that any of them made it. If you have to jump the next height to win (and the opponent is not jumping anymore but you are not ahead - e.g., injury) do you think that they would go right to 2.10 and skip 2.07? Nah, I did not think so, because winning Oly Gold is more important. Otherwise the very unlikely clearance at the venerable WR would be such a draw compared to the rewards for a 2.07 that they do not do it; does not mean the other guys are wrong and JN is right.

[jazzcyclist]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

[26mi235]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

Going for the whole enchilada rather than 3rd place, plus possibly some error in reasoning on the part of her/team, as discussed at length before.

[Dietmar239]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

She's an idiot and probably had an FHM shoot on her mind.

[Johannes NA]

Did Bergqvist ever attempt 2.07 after she cleared 2.06? How about Cloete? I'll do some digging but I recall Bergqvist trying 2.10 2 or 3 times in 03 & 05, but never 2.07.

She attempted 2.07 in Sheffield shortly after WC05.

[marknhj]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

Complete loss of focus? Panic attack?... That was one the biggest tactical errors ever. With due respect to Ms. Acuff and her family (no need to email me, guys), anyone who considers her the US GOAT must be an idiot too. Over the US record holder, Olympic Champion and WC bronze medalist? I don't think so.

[jazzcyclist]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

Complete loss of focus? Panic attack?... That was one the biggest tactical errors ever. With due respect to Ms. Acuff and her family (no need to email me, guys), anyone who considers her the US GOAT must be an idiot too. Over the US record holder, Olympic Champion and WC bronze medalist? I don't think so.

That's why I said some people. They may feel that Acuff's longevity trumps Ritter's credentials. I would disagree with them, but you know what they say about opinions.

[Pego]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

Complete loss of focus? Panic attack?... That was one the biggest tactical errors ever. With due respect to Ms. Acuff and her family (no need to email me, guys), anyone who considers her the US GOAT must be an idiot too. Over the US record holder, Olympic Champion and WC bronze medalist? I don't think so.

That's why I said some people. They may feel that Acuff's longevity trumps Ritter's credentials. I would disagree with them, but you know what they say about opinions.

Not only do I think that Louise Ritter trumps AA, I would also place Tisha Waller ahead of AA.
I also agree with Mark and others that her Athens' decision was a terrible mistake.

[Dietmar239]

Amy Acuff, who some may consider America's GOAT, would probably agree with Jnathletics on this one. If he's wrong and if 1 cm is such a big deal, how do you explain her pass at 2.02 in the 2004 Olympics?

Complete loss of focus? Panic attack?... That was one the biggest tactical errors ever. With due respect to Ms. Acuff and her family (no need to email me, guys), anyone who considers her the US GOAT must be an idiot too. Over the US record holder, Olympic Champion and WC bronze medalist? I don't think so.

That's why I said some people. They may feel that Acuff's longevity trumps Ritter's credentials. I would disagree with them, but you know what they say about opinions.

Long-term mediocrity is far from greatness. Acuff hasn't really impressed me since her high school days. Ritter has hardware and records to boot.

[Per Andersen]

ok - I've been patient. jnathletics, why don't you restrict yourself to posting about events that you may know something about? You're making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Nice, if your so much my intellectual superior, why don't you educate me where I'm wrong.

Did Bergqvist ever attempt 2.07 after she cleared 2.06? How about Cloete? I'll do some digging but I recall Bergqvist trying 2.10 2 or 3 times in 03 & 05, but never 2.07.

Turns out (but you never pointed anything out) that she tried 2.07 at WAF in 05 to break the meet record. But on my side is WC 03 Cloete wins 2.06 goes for 2.10, WC 05 Bergqvist wins 2.02 moves up to 2.10 no hieghts in between, Oly 04 Slesarenko wins 2.06 goes for 2.10. That's 3-1 in my favor, how do I sound like an idiot now? If 1 cm is so important Slesarenko would have jumped 2.07 or 2.08 as her 2.06 is the olympic record.

What you fail to understand is that these jumpers don't go from 2.05/206 to WR 2.10 because they think their chances to make 2.08 is about the same as 2.10.
They are totally aware that the chances to make 2.08 are far greater.
But they simply don't get that many reasonable chances at the WR and at that stage in the competition they only have very few jumps left in them. They want that WR and a perfect jump is required. What if that perfect jump should occur at 2.08 instead of 2.10?

I wuld also rank Ritter an Waller ahead of Acuff. How about Howard?