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  • #31
    Originally posted by eldrick
    felix lowered her 400pb by 0.47, so, 50.74 for a gal with a 50.24pb isn't exactly vesuvius erupting
    Her(Wineberg) training was geared for a peak at Nationals(accomplished), then she went back to training for 4 weeks(with the expected slowing of race performance), now is tapering for another peak in Osaka(as evidenced today). Everything is on schedule.

    Remember, Pre 50.90, USATF 50.24(peak #1).

    Today 50.74, Worlds ???(peak #2)
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    • #32
      Originally posted by ALLSpeed
      Official Results:

      7 415 Dee Dee TROTTER USA 82 52,17
      What are the chances that she will be on the relay only for the heats? I don't think she'll make it to the semis of the open 400! Right now, it's looking like a done deal for Wineberg, Hastings, Felix and Richards (or Richards and Felix) in the 4x400 final.

      Do I smell a battle for the AR (48.70) after the World Champs? Or will Allyson and Sanya go for the whole enchilada, and try to match Marie-José Pérec's 48.25 for 3rd all-time, like JW did in the men's race (Q's 43.50)? You have to consider that Allyson will trash the 100 next year, and instead go for the 200-400 double.

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      • #33
        guru

        doesn't explain why felix is smashing her 400pb left-right-centre since trials ( albeit picked for 200 since 'sinki )

        it appears felix has a training regime which allows her to progress thruout june-july-august

        maybe mary better look it up ?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by eldrick
          guru

          doesn't explain why felix is smashing her 400pb left-right-centre since trials ( albeit picked for 200 since 'sinki )
          I say again - how many times has Felix run the 400?

          Look, Felix has far superior legspeed to Wineberg - and she SHOULD be "smashing" her PR, considering how rarely she runs it. BUT, had she been running it as often as the full-time 400 women I doubt we'd see a straight line progression, and her PR would be MUCH faster in the 400 than it is.

          If you are to compare apples to apples, and the relative effectiveness of training programs, let's look at Felix's 200 progression.
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          • #35
            converse maybe/woud be that mary runs the 200 very infrequently

            we obviously have no data saying mary's 200pbs have been smashed this summer, but call me a cynic, but viewing her euro races, nothing in her 400s suggests she has...

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            • #36
              Eldrick, the point I'm making is Wineberg has been running the 400 all year. She, like any human, will not PR EVERY WEEK in that scenario. Her training is designed, like I'm sure Felix's is in the 200, to provide a peak performance at the most important meet(s). It would certainly seem like her training plan is very sound.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by eldrick
                converse maybe/woud be that mary runs the 200 very infrequently

                we obviously have no data saying mary's 200pbs have been smashed this summer, but call me a cynic, but viewing her euro races, nothing in her 400s suggests she has...
                Moving up in distance will always provide more impressive improvement curves than moving down. Speed endurance improves alot quicker than top-end speed.

                A more appropriate comparison would be Wineberg moving up to the 800 after not doing it all year. What do you think her improvement curve would look like after 2 or 3 races?
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                • #38
                  It's a good thing you pulled that post Eldy, because you knew I whip out Felix's 100 performances this year.
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                  • #39
                    For those who remember Helsinki '83, Marita Koch trained for her 100/200 double, and ran a very good [but nothing special for her] 48.5x in the relay. Richards' fierce 100 indicates she's training much more for the race she will be running in OSAKA [the only individual race she's guaranteed to be in, at this point, despite all the scuttlebutt]. [sic?]
                    Take good care of yourself.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by guru
                      Originally posted by eldrick
                      converse maybe/woud be that mary runs the 200 very infrequently

                      we obviously have no data saying mary's 200pbs have been smashed this summer, but call me a cynic, but viewing her euro races, nothing in her 400s suggests she has...
                      Moving up in distance will always provide more impressive improvement curves than moving down. Speed endurance improves a lot quicker than top-end speed
                      perhaps you shouda told that to lashawn over 1y ago...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by guru

                        Moving up in distance will always provide more impressive improvement curves than moving down. Speed endurance improves alot quicker than top-end speed.
                        Usain Bolt and Sanya Richards would beg to differ with you.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by jazzcyclist
                          Originally posted by guru

                          Moving up in distance will always provide more impressive improvement curves than moving down. Speed endurance improves alot quicker than top-end speed.
                          Usain Bolt and Sanya Richards would beg to differ with you.
                          Again, how often has Richards run the 100 this year? My guess is if she ran it next week she wouldn't run 10.80.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by eldrick
                            Originally posted by guru
                            Originally posted by eldrick
                            converse maybe/woud be that mary runs the 200 very infrequently

                            we obviously have no data saying mary's 200pbs have been smashed this summer, but call me a cynic, but viewing her euro races, nothing in her 400s suggests she has...
                            Moving up in distance will always provide more impressive improvement curves than moving down. Speed endurance improves a lot quicker than top-end speed
                            perhaps you shouda told that to lashawn over 1y ago...

                            Shall we examine Felix's 100 curve this year?
                            https://twitter.com/walnuthillstrak

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                            • #44
                              is it as impressive as lashawn's, or as jazzy pointed out, bolt's ?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by eldrick
                                is it as impressive as lashawn's
                                20.10 to 19.98??



                                or as jazzy pointed out, bolt's ?
                                10.03 from a 19.75 guy??
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