Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Hendrick Ramaala says US and African runners are equal!?!?!

Collapse

Unconfigured Ad Widget

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Hendrick Ramaala says US and African runners are equal!?!?!

    In an audio interview with thefinalsprint.com shown on the T&F homepage, Hendrick Ramaala (who, btw, is one of not only the most talented but also the classiest runners in the world) said the following in reference to American runners:

    "There is no big difference between us and them … ya know, it is all about yourself ... you have to tell yourself that this is my chance and I am taking it ... and the end of the day we are all equal ... but some believe in themselves more than others."

    I was very impressed by this view, whether or not it is actually correct. What do you think: Are American runners and African runners (or even American runners and other international runners) innately equal?

    The full conversation with Ramaala can be found here:
    http://www.thefinalsprint.com/2007/0...drick-ramaala/

  • #2
    American athletes (esp whites) are very much underachievers.

    Belief and bloody mindedness is a not a track and field trait in the US.

    Comment


    • #3
      There are many kinds of Americans, as mal has indicated. No reason USA shouldn't have a female Kathy Cook or Raelene Boyle.

      Comment


      • #4
        Im not sure what he means but here's a list that seems to say otherwise- :shock:

        teeplechase
        7:55.28 Brahim Boulami (Mor) 2001
        8:02.49 Ezekiel Kemboi (Ken) 2003
        8:01.69 Kipkirui Misoi (Ken) 2001
        7:59.08 Wilson Boit (Ken) 1997
        7:57.74 Paul K. Koech (Ken) 2003
        7:57.29 Reuben Kosgei (Ken) 2001
        7:56.16 Moses Kiptanui (Ken) 1997
        7:55.72 Bernard Barmasai (Ken) 1997
        7:53.63 Saïf Saaeed Shaheen (Qat) 2004
        8:03.41 Patrick Sang (Ken) 1997

        5000
        12:37.35 Kenenisa Bekele (Eth) 2004
        12:49.87 Paul Tergat (Ken) 1997
        12:49.71 Mohammed Mourhit (Bel) 2000
        12:49.28 Brahim Lahlafi (Mor) 2000
        12:48.81 Stephen Cherono (Ken) 2003
        12:47.04 Sileshi Sihine (Eth) 2004
        12:46.53 Eliud Kipchoge (Ken) 2004
        12:39.74 Daniel Komen (Ken) 1997
        12:39.36 Haile Gebrselassie (Eth) 1998
        12:50.24 Hicham El Guerrouj (Mor) 2003

        10,000
        26:20.31 Kenenisa Bekele (Eth) 2004
        26:49.90 Assefa Mezgebu (Eth) 2002
        26:49.38 Sammy Kipketer (Ken) 2002
        26:38.78 Abdullah Hassan (Qat) 2004
        26:38.08 Salah Hissou (Mor) 1996
        26:36.26 Paul Koech (Ken) 1997
        26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi (Ken) 2003
        26:27.85 Paul Tergat (Ken) 1997
        26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie (Eth) 1998
        26:50.20 Richard Limo (Ken)
        phsstt!

        Comment


        • #5
          As much improvement as we have made over the last two years or so, Americans are still not even close to being in the ball game in the steeple, 5 or 10k. We still have a long way to go before we can compete on a level with the world's best in those events.

          Comment


          • #6
            I'm sure there are many factors why American distance runners are far behind the African's...but one of the major ones may be culture. I believe the african people have a much tougher life...and that may be at the base (along with growing up at 8,500 feet) of why they run so much faster. Distance runners have to be mentally tough.... this goes beyond simply talent.

            Comment


            • #7
              Nope Americans cant hack it 8) especially depthwise America is just one injury away from a a none factor in every distance event. Ramaala is just being Politically proper

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by yung4evr
                As much improvement as we have made over the last two years or so, Americans are still not even close to being in the ball game in the steeple, 5 or 10k. We still have a long way to go before we can compete on a level with the world's best in those events.
                The Americans are not THAT far back in the: 1) Steepe/Lincoln is up there with all but the top several; 2) Marathon (Oly medals, promising new runners, good experienced ones); 3) 5000 Lagat (yes, I know), also Teg has shown promise, plus pretty good results from the likes of Solinsky, and the annual list is going to be a bit lacking of sub-13s this year; 4) suddenly the mile is dropped from the complaint of un-competitiveness; and 5) there are not enough 10,000s to see - almost no one is in the class of KB (goes for the 5000 too), but getting runners into the mid- then lower-27s is a start.

                Comment


                • #9
                  according to the all time top 100 by tilastopaja.net, strength of country by event
                  800 meters
                  1. kenya 29
                  2. usa 13
                  3. great britain 7

                  1500
                  1. kenya 32
                  2. spain 9
                  3. morrocco 8
                  4. tie usa +great btain
                  6. algeria 6

                  mile
                  1. kenya 26
                  2. great britain 14
                  3. usa13
                  4. spain 6

                  steeple
                  1. kenya 41
                  2. morrocco9
                  3. tie germany and spain 5
                  5. 4 way tie usa, qatar italy and france 4

                  5k
                  1. kenya 47
                  2.ethiopia 16
                  3. morrocco 14
                  4. usa 4
                  5. 3 countries tied with 2

                  10k
                  1. kenya 46
                  2. ethiopia 19
                  3. morrocco 7
                  4. tie portugal and usa 3 each
                  6. 5 countries tied with 2

                  marathon
                  1. kenya 46
                  2. japan 10
                  3. spain 8
                  4. ethiopia 7
                  5. tie morrocco and south africa 4 eacu
                  13. usa tied with 8 countries with 1

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    so the usa is number 2 in the 800,, tied for 4th in the 1500, 3rd in the mile, tied for 5th in the steeple, 4th in the 5k, tied for 4th in the 10k, and the usa is lagging in the marathon. so the usa is definetely not up with kenya, but is above ethiopia in the 800, 1500, mile and steeple, morrocco is ahead of the usa in every distance event except the 800 and mile, so i would say ramaala is right the usa is competitive with the african countries except kenya, ethiopia in races over 5k and morrocco, besides those 3 countries the usa beats all africa countries. to this point in time.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Doing the list of top mark makers does not address the question of: Is country X competitive. You need the rankings of the top CURRENT players, leaving off any that are way passed their prime and not going to run like that on the track (as good as Geb is, he is not going to be on the starting line of the WC 10,000) , although listing his 2007 time is legit). I guess that you want marks made since T, which might be 2005 or later.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        for 2007
                        men
                        800
                        1. usa 19
                        2. kenya
                        3.spain 6
                        1500
                        1. kenya 23
                        2. usa 12
                        3,morrocco 8
                        mile
                        1. usa 52
                        2. kenya 13
                        steeple
                        1. kenya 26
                        2. usa 11
                        3. 4 countries with 6 each
                        5k
                        1. kenya 35
                        2. ethiopia 17
                        3. usa 13
                        4. 4 countries tied at 4
                        10k
                        1.kenya 40
                        2. eth 16
                        3. usa 13
                        4. japan 6
                        marathon
                        1. kenya 65
                        2. ethiopia and morrocco 5 each
                        4. japan and italy 4 each
                        3k
                        1. kenya 42
                        2..usa14
                        3. ethiopia 8


                        for this year usa would seem to be number 2 in the world mid-long distance, i like the all time list better because being the 100th fastest in a given year does not make one globally competitive, but making top 100 all time makes one at least take note, there are other variables like front line strength, this year in the 10k ethiopia edges out the usa 16-13 but most of their runners are sub 2730 with 2648 being the best the usa's best time so far this year is 2731.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 26mi235
                          Originally posted by yung4evr
                          As much improvement as we have made over the last two years or so, Americans are still not even close to being in the ball game in the steeple, 5 or 10k. We still have a long way to go before we can compete on a level with the world's best in those events.
                          The Americans are not THAT far back in the: 1) Steepe/Lincoln is up there with all but the top several; 2) Marathon (Oly medals, promising new runners, good experienced ones); 3) 5000 Lagat (yes, I know), also Teg has shown promise, plus pretty good results from the likes of Solinsky, and the annual list is going to be a bit lacking of sub-13s this year; 4) suddenly the mile is dropped from the complaint of un-competitiveness; and 5) there are not enough 10,000s to see - almost no one is in the class of KB (goes for the 5000 too), but getting runners into the mid- then lower-27s is a start.
                          Well, perhaps the last two years we have been more competitive. But the fact remains, Kennedy and Lagat have been the only ones under 13:00 in the 5K, no American has been under 27:00 in the 10K and the AR is nearly a minute off the WR, and no one under 8:00 in the steeple.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kamikaze7
                            Nope Americans cant hack it 8) especially depthwise America is just one injury away from a a none factor in every distance event. Ramaala is just being Politically proper
                            Any event where you rely on primarly caucasian athletes that compete in events that go against the middle class consumer lifestyle and is sparsely paid has almost no chance of producing world class runners. I don't think Americans can't hack it or they wouldn't have been able to compete in the 70's and early 80's. The wealth gap and sedentary lifestyle has killed of dozens of prospects.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I agree with trackfan.

                              You should see what has happened to most of Europe from say 1990 to 2007 in the middle and long distances! :shock:

                              USA is not coping too bad compared to most of the "Western" world

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X