Klüft och Kristiansson planerar bröllop

[EPelle]

Question now becomes, "Who was Kristiansson?"

He changed his name to Patrik Klüft. He:s now at a critical stage in his career where he:s forced to have an operation to fix a problem with his foot which has been troublesome for two years -- a move which could effectively end his career.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/f ... 1008881.ab

[Jaack]

Wow, do men often take the womens second name in Sweden? That's very odd to me?!

[EPelle]

Lots of stock in the name Klüft. Couldn:t imagine CK being another "CK". Too many of us are Johansson, Olsson, Jakobsson, Kristiansson, et al.

Did you see the movie "Me, Myself and Dupree"?

[Jaack]

Lots of stock in the name Klüft. Couldn:t imagine CK being another "CK". Too many of us are Johansson, Olsson, Jakobsson, Kristiansson, et al.

Did you see the movie "Me, Myself and Dupree"?

I understand that, but surely if she doesn't want to take his name it doesn't mean he has to take hers? Very odd IMO!

[26mi235]

Lots of stock in the name Klüft. Couldn:t imagine CK being another "CK". Too many of us are Johansson, Olsson, Jakobsson, Kristiansson, et al.

Did you see the movie "Me, Myself and Dupree"?

I understand that, but surely if she doesn't want to take his name it doesn't mean he has to take hers? Very odd IMO!

There are minor complications of having different last names. Also, I do not know the rules on last names of kids, but some places require it to be that of the father. In fact, Washington DC requires the mother's name if unmarried and the father's name if married.

[Seeksreal]

Lots of stock in the name Klüft. Couldn:t imagine CK being another "CK". Too many of us are Johansson, Olsson, Jakobsson, Kristiansson, et al.

Did you see the movie "Me, Myself and Dupree"?

I understand that, but surely if she doesn't want to take his name it doesn't mean he has to take hers? Very odd IMO!

Good for him to have the balls to go against convention. I don't see why it should matter whose name they choose, but I do understand the desire of having a family name in common. I wish them much happiness!

[jazzcyclist]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US, not to mention, Africa, South America and Asia.

[Powell]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US

France? You mean the country in which a woman with an out-of-wedlock partner and children came close to becoming the president of the country this year?

[AS]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US, not to mention, Africa, South America and Asia.

It's often less to do with chauvinism and more to do with naming customs, communication of family background, and from time-to-time the interventionism of the dominant church...

[Flumpy]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US

France? You mean the country in which a woman with an out-of-wedlock partner and children came close to becoming the president of the country this year?

And women didn't gte the vote until 1944!!!

[Powell]

And women didn't gte the vote until 1944!!!

Yes, but we're talking about the present, not ancient history. Spain has traditionally been very Catholic and conservative, but I don't think that's true nowadays. They were one of the first countries to allow gay marriages AFAIR.

Poland gave women voting rights in 1918, but that doesn't make us more liberal than the French (I mean the society as a whole, not myself).

[jazzcyclist]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US

France? You mean the country in which a woman with an out-of-wedlock partner and children came close to becoming the president of the country this year?

Male chauvinism and Puritanism (is that a word) don't necaessary go hand in hand. Italy has had female porn stars in its parliament, but it's still hard for me to imagine an Italian male athlete taking the last name of his wife. Bill and Hillary Clinton had to find out the hard way about the political liability of her not taking his last name. If she had continued to go by Hillary Rodham, not only would she not have had a future in national politics, Bill would have never been anything more than a one-term governor.

[Powell]

But the fact that a woman ran for president for one of the two major parties and came close to winning the elections is an argument against France being a male chauvinist country. The fact that she is in an non-legalized relationship is secondary.

And I'm honestly shocked at your belief a woman's decision not to change he name can have such political ramifications. I always think I live in a very conservative country, but I can't imagine it being a big deal here.

[jazzcyclist]

But the fact that a woman ran for president for one of the two major parties and came close to winning the elections is an argument against France being a male chauvinist country. The fact that she is in an non-legalized relationship is secondary.

And I'm honestly shocked at your belief a woman's decision not to change he name can have such political ramifications. I always think I live in a very conservative country, but I can't imagine it being a big deal here.

This belief or theory of mine is backed up with plenty of anecdotal evidence and apparently the Clinton's agree. Here is an excerpt from an article on the subject:

She was Hillary Rodham during her years as a rising Arkansas lawyer seeking an independent identity from her husband, the governor. She added Clinton to her name after his defeat for reelection in 1980; her decision to keep her maiden name had troubled some Arkansas voters.

The shift to Hillary Rodham Clinton signaled a new investment in her husband's career as governor and president, during which she was a key adviser, leading up to her own election to the Senate in 2000.

But now, as a presidential candidate, she's Hillary Clinton -- or just Hillary -- and some analysts say it makes sense for her to streamline her name. Dropping "Rodham," they contend, would erase feminist overtones and soften her image, taking the edge off one of the more sharply polarizing figures of the last two decades.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... er_stages/

[unclezadok]

How many other countries in the world this would be socially acceptable? Afterall, some European countries, such as Spain, Italy and France, are even more male chauvinistic than the US

France? You mean the country in which a woman with an out-of-wedlock partner and children came close to becoming the president of the country this year?

Better than having a raving idiot as president.