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Originally posted by gh
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I was within 0.1s for both Barber and Edwards, but the only way I could have been that far off for Felix and Williams is if I used a different 100 meter mark than the one your people used. Do you know whether or not the torso is used for the splits or the baton? -
Those splits are by the IAAF/JAAF Biomechanics team, and as noted in the m4x1 thread about the Powell split, I don't know what methodology they used--indeed, as I noted there--I can't even vouch for them timing at the 100m points, rather than at the exchange, as some are wont to do.Comment
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jeremy you have the trophy for most ridiculous group of posts.
Let me tell you what you refuse to see and acknowledge, the woman was not showboating and it was no where near five meters before the line, it was on the line and there was no more running to be done. She did not almost lose anything, she knew exactly where she was and had no fear of Veronica out there. I case you are wondering how I can be so sure, it is because she told me immediately following the race. If you did more than be biased you would have acknowledged this reality as gh did. Instead you chose to see what you wanted to see. Showboating?
A person exaults in joy, everything about her reaction was about victory, yet you saw showboating. Did you see showboating in Lagat's victories?
Jingoism? Stop using those ten dollar words they will only confuse you. LOL
Just enjoy the victory and the fact that they won. No matter what the order was it was supposed to be close in case you missed the news, JAM is the defending Olympic champ.
On a more positive note, Allyson shut everyone up that doubted her. And I do not see how any of you question the inclusion of either of the Barber's. One has run 10.98 and the other 11.02.
The better question is how come Lisa was not used in either round????Comment
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I noted earlier that it clearly wasn't showboating, but an expression of joy, so you're spot-on there.Originally posted by Smoke
But I'm not sure I buy your assessment of when it started. I'll be interested to look at some video, because my recollection is that it was at least 3m out. And my recollection is also that oh yeah, she really did almost lose something. About another step and she was toast! If I'm remembering correctly.Comment
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Normally, one takes relay splits from the baton, not the torso. But if gh doesn't know what was actually done in this case, I certainly don't.Originally posted by jazzcyclistComment
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w. 4 x 100 m.
I saw the celebration only in the last metre or so before the line - too early, of course, but not the huge premature slowdown I was expecting, having already read the posts before I saw the race.
As for the exchanges, I timed baton to hand, as I didn't expect to be able to pick up the mid-exchange zones from the TV, and I was within 1 tenth, plus or minus on each exchange.
Great running all around, but I thought Barber on the 3rd leg was brilliant...Comment
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I was able to pick up the 100, 200 and 300 meter marks for the US, but I timed the splits at the point in which the torso of the outgoing runner crossed the mark. In all fairness to Edwards, though I'm guilty of making the showboating charge too, she wasn't guilty of showboating, but only premature celebration. But she admitted in the post-race interview that she had no idea that Campbell was closing that fast, but all you had to do is look at the expression on her face right after the race to see that. The bottom line is that 0.03s is not only too close to justify any type of premature celebration, but actually warrants a lean at the finish. Just be thankful that Michelle Perry hasn't been giving Campbell her tips on leaning.Comment
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Maybe Tegenkamp and Gary Reed should have a sitdown with Perry. Of course, hurdlers have two advantages over those guys. First, they are more flexible. Second, they know exactly where the line is and how many steps they have to the line because of the hurdle placement and step patterns.Originally posted by jazzcyclistComment
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split times vs final time
I think the only way to make the sum of all 4 split times equal the final time (which is what happens here) is to take the baton times at the 100, 200 and 300 marks. Of course for the last runner it is the torso as in all individual races.Originally posted by gh
BTW can anyone tell me what the eTrackNewsletter is, and how can one subscribe to it ? Thanks.Comment
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The e-Track Newsletter is a "weekly" publication (we're already at 50 issues this year) which provides a summary of top-end results, with appropriate statistical notations.
For example, the Osaka women's 800 final looks like this (but with better formatting):
<<FINAL
(August 28)
(temperature 30C/86F; humidity 64%)
1. Janeth Jepkosgei (Ken) 1:56.04
NR (WL) (6, 6 WC; fastest since ’93)
(Kenya's first medal)
(26.6, 29.6 [56.16], 30.1 [1:26.3], 29.7)
(56.16/59.88)
(14.8)
2. Hasna Benhassi (Mor) 1:56.99
(repeat silver)
(28.0, 29.5 [57.5], 29.4 [1:26.9], 30.1)
(57.5/59.5)
(15.5)
3. Mayte Martínez (Spa) 1:57.62
PR (Spain's first medal)
(28.2, 29.6 [57.8], 29.6 [1:27.4], 30.2)
(57.8/59.8)
(14.9)
4. Olga Kotlyarova (Rus) 1:58.22
(27.0, 29.8 [56.8], 30.3 [1:27.1], 31.1)
(56.8/61.4)
(15.9)
5. Brigita Langerholc (Slo) 1:58.52
(Slovenia’s first top-8)
(26.8, 29.8 [56.6], 30.3 [1:26.9], 31.6)
(56.6/61.9)
(16.2)
6. Svetlana Usovich (Blr) 1:58.92
(Belarus’s highest placing)
(26.8, 29.8 [56.6], 30.3 [1:26.9], 32.0)
(56.6/62.3)
(16.4)
7. Svetlana Klyuka (Rus) 2:00.90
(27.1, 30.1 [57.2], 30.3 [1:27.5], 33.4)
(57.2/63.7)
(17.2);
… dnf[hamstring? @ c720m—Maria Mutola (Moz)
(all-event record ninth appearance; record eighth final)
(27.2, 29.6 [56.8], 29.9 [1:26.7])
(56.8)
(2nd with 100 to go; needed 14.5 finish to win....>>
During the Osaka period, newsletters were produced daily, with all of the finals from that day.
eTN is free!!..... as part of a subscription to Track & Field News intself, and no other way.
It's sent as a PDF directly to your e-mail account.Comment
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