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    A combination of the "Our Presentation" thread and the disintegration of the "Athlete Of The Decade" thread into a bun fight over numerology brought to my mind our old friend a new set of WRs, starting with '00 (feel free to call that the new M or not, your choice; i call it a quasi-logical time to have turned over the WR meter).

    If we had done that, do you realize what good press Osaka would have gotten compared to what it did? I hate to use gimmickry to sell the sport, and think that competition needs to be sold over records, but we've all seen how well that has gone so far, eh? Yet another WC devoid of record action, and with the ho-hums with which the general media greets that.

    By my quick count (i.e., no real research, so I may have added one that isn't true and/or missed one) we had a half-dozen "World Records" in Osaka:

    men's 400 and 4x4

    women's 200, 800, 4x4, DT

    two WRs each for Wariner & Felix---that mighta pushed a little bit of football and baseball off the sports pages.


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    ps--when I say "new" WRs I hasten to add that my proposal is NEVER to eliminate the old ones; there's merely a new set that was created when the calendar went from 1's to 2's. I know I'm in the minority for pushing this idea, but evidence such as the above only stiffens my resolve that that's the kind of ting the sport needs to do.

  • #2
    cool stuff!
    one correction that comes to mind:

    Jolanda Ceplak ran 1'55"19 outdoors in 2002, as well as 1'55"82i with Stephanie Graf also under Jepkosgei's mark with 1'55"85i.

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    • #3
      I suggest rolling the record "clock" back to zero at the end of every month. How exciting! A new set of records every May, then again in June, then again in July, then again.....and again.....and again...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by kuha
        I suggest rolling the record "clock" back to zero at the end of every month. How exciting! A new set of records every May, then again in June, then again in July, then again.....and again.....and again...
        I like it! But those guys who have to pay for every WR might not . . .

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        • #5
          Re: Millennial World Records

          Originally posted by gh
          If we had done that, do you realize what good press Osaka would have gotten compared to what it did?
          The problem is how do you avoid the negative publicity that comes from such an arbitrary cutoff, and the reasons for it? Especially since some of the most damaging PED info came out after 2000. Every new record would be described with the caveat “since they retired the obviously possibly-PED-tainted records, except for those pre-and-post-BALCO ones we don’t know about yet”. It would open up a whole new can of worms that would make T&F even more of a laughing stock than it already is in many people’s eyes.

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          • #6
            I think 99.999% of the populace (and media) knows so little about our sport that the laughing-stock risk is almost zero.

            The media/public are quick to suck up Defar's "world record" in the 2M as if it's real, dozens of women's WRs in a brand-new event like the polevault, javelin records with a new impolement and run with them. The truth hurts, but there you have it.

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            • #7
              Re: Millennial World Records

              Originally posted by bad hammy
              Originally posted by gh
              If we had done that, do you realize what good press Osaka would have gotten compared to what it did?
              The problem is how do you avoid the negative publicity that comes from such an arbitrary cutoff, and the reasons for it? Especially since some of the most damaging PED info came out after 2000. Every new record would be described with the caveat “since they retired the obviously possibly-PED-tainted records, except for those pre-and-post-BALCO ones we don’t know about yet”. It would open up a whole new can of worms that would make T&F even more of a laughing stock than it already is in many people’s eyes.
              It as non-arbitrary as you can get for something that has a > sign in its definition.

              Baseball has its 'modern' records, which are the primary ones that people pay attention to (of course, it is back to the 1800s or so for the earlier epoch.

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              • #8
                By my quick count (i.e., no real research, so I may have added one that isn't true and/or missed one) we had a half-dozen "World Records" in Osaka:

                men's 400 and 4x4

                women's 200, 800, 4x4, DT
                Women's DT? Whatcher talking about? Dietzsch wasn't even close to the SB.
                Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                • #9
                  I think "DT" is some sort of secret code for heptathlon...?

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                  • #10
                    Powell has shown that even the toughest WR's are achievable in modern times so there's no need to renew the records. The men's discus and hammer have been close in recent years and they were once considered untouchable. Modern athletes will find a way to beat the world records. Yes - I even think that 47.60 and 10.49 will be approached.

                    New records might be OK for now since 2000 was a "round number", so when's the next change happening? 2025, 2050 - crazy!

                    Anyway - once gene therapy takes a hold over the next generation the current records will look silly and the newspapers will have much to report!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by paddyb
                      once gene therapy takes a hold over the next generation the current records will look silly and the newspapers will have much to report!
                      That's what I've been saying and everyone laughs at me! (well, that might be for other reasons . . . )

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tafnut
                        Originally posted by kuha
                        I suggest rolling the record "clock" back to zero at the end of every month. How exciting! A new set of records every May, then again in June, then again in July, then again.....and again.....and again...
                        I like it! But those guys who have to pay for every WR might not . . .
                        I believe they're often insurance companies, and they'd never write the policy if those were the rules.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gh
                          I think 99.999% of the populace (and media) knows so little about our sport that the laughing-stock risk is almost zero.
                          But that makes the .001% very precious; we shouldn't do things that might upset them.

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                          • #14
                            So the events where 'new WR holders' would emerge are the following:

                            200m Gay 19.62
                            400m Wariner 43.45
                            800m Kipketer 1:42.32 (ok, so now we have the odd scenario where he holds two century's records but the later one is slower)
                            1500m El Guerrouj 3:26.12 (ditto)
                            Mile El Guerrouj 3:44.95 (ditto)
                            3000m Saïdi-Sief 7:25.02 (not great news)
                            400mH Clement 47.24
                            HJ Voronin 2.40
                            PV Markov 6.05
                            LJ Tsátoumas 8.66
                            TJ Edwards 17.92 (see Kipketer, El Guerrouj)
                            SP Toth 22.67
                            DT Alekna 73.88
                            HT Tsikhan 86.73
                            JT Zelezný 92.80 (see Kipketer et.al)

                            Women to come...

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                            • #15
                              The women's side:

                              100m Jones 10.75
                              200m Felix 21.81
                              400m Richards 48.70
                              800m Ceplak 1.55.19
                              1500m Ayhan 3.55.33
                              Mile Soboleva 4.15.63
                              3000m Szabo 8.21.42
                              10000m Radcliffe 30:01.09
                              100mH Devers 12.33
                              HJ Vlašic 2.07
                              LJ Kotova 7.42
                              TJ Lebedeva 15.34
                              SP Peleshenko 21.46
                              DT Sadova 69.38
                              Hept Kluft 7032

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