london 2012 stadium unveiled

[mump boy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_s ... 081346.stm

it rocks and there is no talk of handing it over to football after

[AS]

But it will shrink down to only 25000 seat stadium afterwards...

a fabric curtain will wrap around the stadium structure, acting as additional protection and shelter for spectators;

So no headwinds or tailwinds??

[James Fields]

Here's URL for another story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071107/...w3udlUnfME1vAI
There are others on T&FN website site opening page -- and more can be expected for this interesting subject.

The 2012 London expense is huge. (I read long ago that Los Angeles Coliseum, athletics venue for 1932 Olympics, cost one million dollars.)

[AS]

...I read long ago that Los Angeles Coliseum, athletics venue for 1932 Olympics, cost one million dollars...

Not sure whether that is a big amount or not in todays $$?

Well economic historians would say that translates to somewhere between $12.8m and $224.8m in 2006 terms (2007 is not available yet)...
See http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ for the different conversion options...

[bennyg]

I saw the video presentation today and listened to the Press conference afterwards.

Very second rate construction, largely temporary Stadium, costing 500 million quid to be reconfigured as a 25,000 seater fit only for National Champs and maybe a European team comp, Never be fit for a World Champs ,thats for sure.
BTW ,I thought I heard the Mayor, Ken Livingston say that the venerable Crystal Palace is coming down once we have the new Stadium up and running, so that London 2012 Stadium is the only one capable of hosting a reasonable athletics meeting in the rich great city of London

As for a roof, the Architect who designed it was most unconvincing today as to whether, when the two thirds roofed Olympic Stadium is reconfigured downwards, the little Legacy stadium will be roofed over, partly or wholly.

Clearly the organisers and the Government are busting a gut to get a Soccer or Rugby club to be anchor tenant of a reduced Stadium , and I reckon they would require a roof over the Stadium.

There was no clarification whatsoever today as to whether the costs of 496 million pounds actually include for a new roof over the smaller Stadium to be used for for Athletics and the local community etc.

I see in the Stadium little or no vision. The toilets and food outlets are outside the Main Olympic stadium and I will bet my boots that you will hear the usual cry about the the inadequacy of the same when its built.

This is the great vision of the organisers.????

The Mayor tells us, as do others, that you cannot build a Soccer stadium that can run a world class Athletics event., He maybe did not get to Paris 2003 where some imagination was used in order to buid a multi purpose Stadium, which, so far, has held the world Athletics Champs, World Cup Soccer Final and Rugby Final.

[eldrick]

it's an odd thing, but no english football club ever seems to want a stadium with a running track between spectators & the pitch, whereas the continentals are quite happy for that layout

[Justin Clouder]

I'm not sure that European clubs are happy about it, but lots of them occupy stadia owned by local municipal authorities and have to lump it, whereas all the Premiership clubs own their own grounds. Most of Italy's large stadia were rebuilt for the 1990 World Cup, for example, funded by Govt on condition that they be municipal resources afterwards. Those large Euro clubs with their own stadia - Barcelona, Real Madrid for example - don't have tracks.

On Stade de France, it could be argued that the stadium is not actually very good for anything, being a compromise between too many ideals. Sight lines are not always good, particularly for watching track.

Athletics is best in small, tight stadia with the crowd close to the track. Rugby is best in steep-sided stadia to give a view of the action, football needs to pack in more people so tiers are good, etc. Hard to imagine one stadium suitable for all. IMHO!

Justin

[BillVol]

it's an odd thing, but no english football club ever seems to want a stadium with a running track between spectators & the pitch, whereas the continentals are quite happy for that layout

Same thing over here, eld. It drives gridiron football people crazy to have a track in between the spectators and the field.

[bennyg]

I attended the Paris 2003 World Champs and sat in five different locations. Never had any trouble seeing the action. I think the French idea was excellent with a lower range of seats on the track, rolled back as required. As for the Soccer fans with their demands that they cannot enjoy a game unless the fans are right on top of the action, I think, you poor souls, be happy you can afford a season ticket to the match. A great many soccer fans are, in any event ,even with no track around, going to see the players from way up high and the further distance caused by a running track makes little difference.

The London Stadium is quite deliberately second rate and the organising committee have been motivated by FEAR , clearly. Fear of costs, and talk of White Elephants. If it is a departure this time round from previous Olympic grandiosity in stadium design, at least let us recognise it as a second grade stadium to be followed by a second grade small stadium with or without a roof; who knows.

The location of the toilets and food outlets and merchandising opportunities will enable spectators to enjoy anice long walk and opportunities to miss the action. Nothing inside the Stadium as it all saves cost.

The politicians running the 2012 at all levels know that if you tell everybody often enough its a great Stadium some of the people who pay for it will believe it.

Just like the lousy Millenium Dome experience.!!Which I also wasted money on.

When the Olympic circus is over and the new Little Stadium is built by 2013/2014, it will be a windswept disappointment as an Athletics Legacy Stadium located in the Thames Estuary.

When the British nation are at their worst in vision and imagination, unlike the great Eye or the new St.Pancras Station, they screw it up,big time, in my opinion.

[guru]

Re: london 2012 stadium unveiled

Two years to go...



(pic credit Tasha Danvers)

[guru]

Re: london 2012 stadium unveiled

Note to Garry, bh and the boys - you want internet access at the stadium in 2012? Bring the gold bars...

http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympi ... et-charges

[gm]

Re: london 2012 stadium unveiled

Note to Garry, bh and the boys - you want internet access at the stadium in 2012? Bring the gold bars...

http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympi ... et-charges

Sounds like a fair deal when I read what is included.

[JRM]

Re: london 2012 stadium unveiled

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/7081346.stm

Isn't that the "Animals" factory in the intro?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(album)

[GDAWG]

Re: london 2012 stadium unveiled

That looks like a good stadium.

There are going to be some interesting T&F storylines heading into London 2012, that's for sure.