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Many Division I universities have been forced to drop their Men's Track teams (as well as other men's sports) allegedly due to Title IX. Title IX surely is the precipitant, but what about the fact that most D IA college football programs offer over 100....yes 100 full scholarships to their football players thus immediately and drastically reducing the half pie share of resources that are available for men's sports. Of course it is about money...but what does it say about our higher educational system and the role sports play in it?
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Sheesh... how about let's badmouth poor ole Webb some more or talk about track movies or revive lies about Wilt Chamberlain instead?Comment
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>Sheesh... how about let's badmouth poor ole Webb some more or talk about track
>movies or revive lies about Wilt Chamberlain instead?
My goodness, you guys! You act as though you HAVE TO read and respond to a topic just because someone posts it, and if it has already been discussed then that person is doing you some great personal harm. Let it go! If somebody has a question or an idea they want to talk about, more power to them! If you've already been there, done that, then move on and let them be. You seem to think that this is YOUR message board and all others need your approval to post here. Get a life, and let others have their fun!
As for me, I agree that collegiate track and field is falling victim to the profitability of other sports (football/basketball). I work at a large Div. I university where the 3 story athletics building has one floor as a weightroom/fitness center, one floor just for the football administration/coaches, and one floor to be shared amongst all of the other coaches. Is it fair? Of course not! Is it going to change? Probably not until there's a financial reason.Comment
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The problem with this topic is that it is a potential bottomless pit of political incorrectness. If people are honest and deal with the issues realistically they get accused of sexism. Then some woman hater (or just someone who wants to get everyone riled up) posts blatantly insulting remarks that get edited out and the whole thread plunges into the abyss of name-calling, etc.Comment
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Actually its 85, but yes I do agree. If the NFL can get by on 50-60 person rosters, why can't the NCAA.Comment
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The rant appears not to be against title 9 so much as against football. I have to disagree with the premis that football takes money away from "minor" sports. Football, and especially basketball, PAY for most other sports. If each sport were to be forced to survive on its own income generating ability, only football and basketball would survive at most (not all) colleges.
Don't believe me? Just look at the budgets of CC programs at big ten schools versus those of smaller D1 colleges - no comparison.
Quit bitchin' becuase football is more popular and profitable than CC/T&F, and thank them for bringing $$ into the athletic departments.
When I was in college we had barely enough $$ to rent a van to get to CC meets, and we were a D1 college w/no football program. My friends who attended big football schools had better scholorships and MUCH better training facilities and meet opportunities.Comment
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My objection to dredging up old topics and rehashing them is that some of the posters have already insulted others and it's just an excuse for them to open old wounds. Drop it.Comment
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I think title IX is worth rehashing. My only mistake is not adding it to the thread about Western Michigan dropping their men's programs....but I wanted my own thread! In response to some posters....
"Minor Sports" do not Necessarily generate revenue but they CAN generate revenue..and lots do for sure..see below. I am not so quick to believe that big DIA programs in "Major sports" make so much money that the revenue supports other sports. Has anyone documented this by examing their books? Big time sports programs are very expensive to maintain.
MY MAJOR POINT
"Minor Sports" CAN AND DO GENERATE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY. Let's say I ran track or swam for a university. I may not have been All-American but I had a good time, made great friends...competed hard etc....I took my education and what I learned running track and developed into a successful (and WEALTHY) doctor, lawyer, engineer, CEO whatever. I look back on my days running or swimming and I say to myself...."I had a great time playing sports for my college and I am going to contribute large sums of money every year becasue I love the team." Multiply this by hundreds or thousands of men and women who pass through the sports system...and that is revenue generating!! That revenue pays for endowed coaching positions and nice training facilities for all teams...track included. This is true for other activities as well..ie MArching Band, school paper etc..etc..I can't speak for those though.
DO YOU THINK IT IS AN ACCIDENT THAT HARVARD UNIVERSITY FIELDS MORE DI TEAMS (BOTH MEN'S AND WOMEN'S) THAN ALMOST EVERY FOOTBALL POWERHOUSE, YET GIVES NO ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIPS (Money is given on a need basis and is NOT ATTACHED to the student's performance or participation in sports)HARVARD DOES NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR TELEVISION CONTRACTS. HARVARD DOES NOT APPEAR IN ANY BOWL GAMES.
HARVARD HAS AN ENDOWNMENT THAT DWARFS MANY small nation GNP's. Where is this money coming from? Certainly not solely from football or basketball.
Yes...IT IS all about money...and Harvard (and some others as well) have figured out the best way to generate revenue through sports. Problem is that nearly all DI football powerhouse administrations have not figured it out yet.
P.S. I am not a Harvard Grad. I DO contribute sums of money (although not large sums...yet) to my favorite team that I ran for.Comment
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Harvard has a huge endowment because it's lily-assed white-bread yuppies are quite happy to fund many no-win teams that look just like them. Ask them to kick in the green for a bunch-o-boyz from the hood and it would be a far different matter.
We will not even get into what the salary of the average alum of Harvard is compared to the alum of good old Siwash U.Comment
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The fact that Harvard has no-win teams does not negate the fact that their football players as well as other athletes...as alumni..probably generate more income for the school than many Rose Bowl appeances of DI schools. Nebraska may get 3 million when appearing in the ORANGE BOWL but I believe their are hundreds of Harvard Alum and dozens who played football who could write a check for that sum for the football team any day ....and would.
You should also note the percentage of "minorities" at Harvard ie....Asian-Americans, African-Americans Hispanic Americans...and compare them with the percentages of DI powerhouse schools...check out Nebraska, Penn State, Oklahoma etc...You will find Harvard FAR MORE DIVERSE than those schools. You might note also that Harvard accepted "persons of color" as students long before most state university football powerhouses had "students of Color"Comment
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"Harvard has a huge endowment because it's lily-assed white-bread yuppies are quite happy to fund many no-win teams that look just like them. Ask them to kick in the green for a bunch-o-boyz from the hood and it would be a far different matter.
We will not even get into what the salary of the average alum of Harvard is compared to the alum of good old Siwash U."
Thanks for playing the race card, it is always a helpful addition to any discussion. So are you calling Harvard grads racist? What evidence do you have to support this claim? Are you just jealous because you didn't go to a good school?Comment
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maybe we can break the all-time Webb thread posting record?Comment
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>My objection to dredging up old topics and rehashing them is that some of the
>posters have already insulted others and it's just an excuse for them to open
>old wounds. Drop it.
So, you're suggesting that we refrain from the discussing the topics that interest us just because some other people choose to use those topics as an outlet for their rudeness and negativity. Wouldn't that be kind of like letting them win, and putting their actions in control of this message board? I'd rather not pander to their kind!Comment
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Blinn College fell victim to title 9, they were the best track program in the world.Comment
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