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  • #16
    Look, a very good HS distance runner (Hasay) is going to get close to running 6x2:34 with NO rest at all, i.e., a low-16 5000. If she can only run three 2:34s with five minutes rest between she shows serious signs of not having a metabolism that works past sprint speeds. To say that 3 x 2:34 is indicative of a 2:04 borders on being ludicrous. With three reps and five minutes rest, the difference between the reps times and on-off times should be a modest number of seconds, ten maybe; 30 seconds is a different world. Please explain how in the world someone that is seriously anaerobic at 2:34 is going to run 2:04?

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    • #17
      I think I can safely say that there is simply not enough ... 'enough' ... information to prognosticate. BUT there sure is some (possibly great) potential here. I know 'Smoke' has a great opportunity here.

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      • #18
        I never saw any indication that the afore mentioned woman was "seriously anaerobic" in her workout. Before weighing in on her 800 potential, I need to see a workout in person to gauge effort. I do agree that the 53 400 time is encouraging- so at what point in the season did the 3X8 take place? Was there a cross background? was this the first week or two of her buildup towards indoor? What had she been doing the past few months?
        I do remember having a conversation with the coach from Occidental quite a few years ago about his 2:06 DIII woman. He was moving her up to the 800 from the 400 but did not race her at that distance until her morning heart rate reduction indicated to him she was ready to succeed.

        That 5:00 rest seemed excessive to me for building endurance.
        Was that complete recovery? Heart rates during workout? Resting?
        Too many variable to decide from a distance.

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        • #19
          Thank you all. I must add a laugh in here for some of you.
          Yes I agree you need more info but I will hold that card for the time being. Just wanted a feeler for what the workout could possibly mean to an 800 runner. I got that answer.

          Now some free advice to those of you coaching, stop with over analyzing of details LOL. Heart rate, rest in the morning, etc. These things are the hobgoblins of US distance running. There is a level that is needed but when a coach says he is not racing his athlete until here morning rate is where it should be, we are over doing the process. We are also ignoring the human spirit and ability to compete.

          This woman I am sharing with you guys also ran 1:37 2 weeks ago for a 600 and that is why a few said 2:08-2:10 for an 800 right now. I am thinking she will run faster than that in the spring and if we tackled the event for a season she would break 2 minutes.

          Again I thank you all for the lively conversation, it is beautiful. She is training well, cranking out 300s in 17 pace for 9, cranking a 45 on the ninth one. Just thought I would share since you guys have shared with me. See ya n the summer.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Helen S
            I never saw any indication that the afore mentioned woman was "seriously anaerobic" in her workout. Before weighing in on her 800 potential, I need to see a workout in person to gauge effort. I do agree that the 53 400 time is encouraging- so at what point in the season did the 3X8 take place? Was there a cross background? was this the first week or two of her buildup towards indoor? What had she been doing the past few months?
            I do remember having a conversation with the coach from Occidental quite a few years ago about his 2:06 DIII woman. He was moving her up to the 800 from the 400 but did not race her at that distance until her morning heart rate reduction indicated to him she was ready to succeed.

            That 5:00 rest seemed excessive to me for building endurance.
            Was that complete recovery? Heart rates during workout? Resting?
            Too many variable to decide from a distance.
            If you are doing repeat 800s without going anaerobic what is the purpose. Presumably she is running them as almost as fast as she can (or else they tell us nothing much at all). I still think HS girls doing 2:2x should be aboe to do 3x800 in 2:34 w/ 5 minutes rest.

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            • #21
              my take - a very exciting 'prospect', at the very least. Good fortune to you, Smoke, and to your talented athlete.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by no one
                my take - a very exciting 'prospect', at the very least. Good fortune to you, Smoke, and to your talented athlete.
                Thanks. I think she will run very fast in a few events this year. Very curious about these new workouts and how they translate for her

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