to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

[trackhead]

a few questions regarding TnF's ranking system:

if cross country is removed from consideration, why is indoor track used? should they not be considered equally?

and is this used solely to determine an athlete's rank in an individual event or may it be used in the overall AOY rankings?

[Jon]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

Good point.


I mean, it's not like cross-country athletes are an entirely different bunch of athletes. They're the same runners we see on the track, but they're just competing on a different surface. Granted, some athletes tend to excel more at cross country (and road, for that matter), but the same can be applied to indoors - same athletes, different surface, different bunch of results.

If indoor races and competitions are included, then why aren't cross country and road...??

[Guest]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

Let me try a wild guess, but isn't indoor TRACK & FIELD still TRACK & FIELD, and CC/road is NOT? Formula I fans don't consider NASCAR a cognate.

[trackhead]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

but, how can javelin throwers compete for AOY honours when all others have an unfair advantage of an extra season?

[Jon]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

>Let me try a wild guess, but isn't indoor TRACK & FIELD still TRACK & FIELD,
>and CC/road is NOT? Formula I fans don't consider NASCAR a cognate.



How can you have an indoor field, then...??

[Jon]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

>but, how can javelin throwers compete for AOY honours when all others have an
>unfair advantage of an extra season?


Exactly. If runners, SP'ers and jumpers are "allowed" to have the 'indoor-advantage' for AOY ranking terms, then why aren't long-distance runners "allowed" to have the 'grass-and-road-advantage' also...??

[Guest]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

>>but, how can javelin throwers compete for AOY honours when all others have
>an
>unfair advantage of an extra season?


Exactly. If runners, SP'ers and
>jumpers are "allowed" to have the 'indoor-advantage' for AOY ranking terms,
>then why aren't long-distance runners "allowed" to have the
>'grass-and-road-advantage' also...??>

Track and Field News

[trackhead]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

An interesting note about the AOY awards:

of the 44 Mens AOY TnF has awarded, only 17 of those have been awarded to single-event athletes.

on the womens side, 7 out of 29 AOY awards have been given to single event athletes.

[Guest]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

T&F News should revert to rankings based strictly on outdoor performances and sans Cross Country of course. Perhaps T&F News could publich a top 5 world ranking per event from indoors,in April, to appease the desire to include indoor performances in their annual rankings.
I will never buy into the concept that an indoor LJ is 100% equivalent to an outdoor LJ.

[trackhead]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

is there someone else i should address this to?

[tafnut]

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I think you already hit the ceiling. He's the HMFIC.

[MJD]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

>He's the HMFIC.
Does that stand for what I think it stands for?

[tafnut]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

yeah - old Navy acronym, like FUBAR or BOHICA

[gh]

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Don't forget the grand-daddy of them all, SNAFU

[tafnut]

Re: to: mr e. garry hill re: world rankings

I was told that that one is actually "fouled", as in a 'fouled deck', i.e. rope lines that crossed each other and caused problems.