2003 Mens 4x100

[waynehobley]

In Paris the mens 4x100 team was (Capel John, Williams Bernard, Patton Darvis, Johnson Joshua J.) and they ran 38.06. If they were to have others like maybe Justin Gatlin or Drummond would they have run faster or no?

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Anyone know their splits?

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Wayne, I think if you put Justin Gatlin in for Darvis Patton they might have gone a little faster. I don't know if Justin would have run 3rd ,but I've seen him blaze some 2nd legs before.

[Jon]

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Courtesy of forum user "X King".....

Paris,France 2003 WCH
USA team, 1st place 38.06s
Hand-off times
1st leg- John Capel, 10.51s
2nd leg- Bernard Williams, 9.06s
3rd leg- Darvis Patton, 9.54s
4th leg- JJ Johnson, 8.95s
Total:38.06s

Individual split times for each relay leg
1st leg- John Capel, 10.29s
2nd leg- Bernard Williams, 8.91s
3rd leg- Darvis Patton, 9.46s
4th leg- JJ Johnson, 8.95s

[Keyser Soze]

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I'm not sure that they could have run much faster with Drummond. The U.S. ran two relays at the Berlin GL and Drummond could not catch Capel on the first leg. Capel was actually pulling away. And Bernard ran an awesome 2nd leg against Gatlin.

In my opinion, there is no faster 3rd leg than Patton. Not only in the U.S, but the world. I've never seen anyone handle a curve like he does; aside from D. Mitchell.

Any combo of the guys mentioned would have made a great relay, but I think our group in the Paris final was the definately the "A" team.

But that's just MY opinion..

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actually, i would like to differ by saying that marlon devonish did run patton down in the 4x100m final in paris.....i could b wrong but that's what saw.......

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I beg to differ, there was a bad stick between Williams and Patton which allowed Devonish to get away Patton closed on him. Patton,Capel and JJ have to be credited with running seven races in 5days. Remind me how many Devonish ran over the same perion again.

[The King]

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>Courtesy of forum user "X King".....

Paris,France 2003 WCH
USA team, 1st
>place 38.06s
Hand-off times
1st leg- John Capel, 10.51s
2nd leg- Bernard
>Williams, 9.06s
3rd leg- Darvis Patton, 9.54s
4th leg- JJ Johnson,
>8.95s
Total:38.06s

Individual split times for each relay leg
1st leg- John
>Capel, 10.29s
2nd leg- Bernard Williams, 8.91s
3rd leg- Darvis Patton,
>9.46s
4th leg- JJ Johnson, 8.95s

Those splits came from a carefully studied 100Hz Video-Tape. The footage is clear, and the Video-footage displays good footage of the points in which the exchange of the baton between the athletes. So I would give these splits an error margin of +/-0.02s.
I would post split times of the GBR Men's team 'by request'...

[The King]

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>I'm not sure that they could have run much faster with Drummond. The U.S. ran
>two relays at the Berlin GL and Drummond could not catch Capel on the first
>leg. Capel was actually pulling away. And Bernard ran an awesome 2nd leg
>against Gatlin.

Yes, this was proven in that race in the Berlin GP this year.
I have taken the splits from a carefully studied 100Hz Video-tape of this race (2003 Berlin GP Men's 4x100m race).
The video is quite clear and I have a good eye so the Splits are quite reliable and the error margin is very small (+/-0.01 to +/-0.03s).

Hand-off times for each team.
USA ‘A’ team, 1st place 37.75s (SB & WL)
1st leg, Jon Drummond, 10.46s
2nd leg, Bernard Williams, 8.83s
3rd leg, Darvis Patton, 9.41s
4th leg, Maurice Greene, 9.07s
Total: 37.77s

USA ‘B’ team, 2nd place 38.15s
1st leg, John Capel, 10.44s
2nd leg, Justin Gatlin, 8.99s
3rd leg, Coby Miller, 9.73s
4th leg, Joshua Jermaine ‘JJ’ Johnson, 8.99s
Total: 38.15s

Coby Miller's 3rd leg was quite slow.(I have timed' Coby's curve in 9.73s, Flo-Jo in 1988 Seoul OG Women's 4x1 final was 9.82s for the same leg, and in 1987 Roma WCH Women's 4x1 final for the same leg she also ran 9.86s!) This was due to a bad transmission from Justin Gatlin to Coby Miller, and not a reflection of what kind of form Coby was in at that time.

[stevehj197]

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we can all talk until we are blue in the face about which runners can/will/did run the fastest, but it's THE PASSES that are the big variable.

[The King]

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>we can all talk until we are blue in the face about which runners can/will/did
>run the fastest, but it's THE PASSES that are the big variable.

That's were the races are won...THE PASSES

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this is all well and true D.Mitchell and MJ were hella turn runners..........but anybody that knows anything about turn he would be the professor of that class....ladies and gentlemen..Calvin Smith

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Some of the top turn runners:
Calvin Smith
Don Quarrie
Dennis Mitchell

you can now add the "also rans"

[Conway]

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I wouldn't call any of the following "also rans" ..

While there are no split times available, Larry Black (200 runner and leadoff on the 72 team) and James Sanford (world ranked 100/200 and storming 3rd legs for USC in 80's) were both AWESOME turn runners ...

And on recent relays the following ran as fast as those you have named:

Jean Charles Trouabal - 9.21 turn for France in Split (Euro Champs)
Bruny Surin - 9.25 turn for Canada in Atlanta
Tim Montgomery - 9.28 for US in Atlanta

And while I have no split data, John Regis was as fast as anyone on the turn as well ..

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Calvin SMITH was my heroe when I was a kid.
His legendary 3rd legs from 1983 to 1990 are
still in all memories.
Very, very impressive turns.