Meanwhile, Would You Do This to Gatlin:

[Chetanji]

if you're wasting my time with pinpoint pupils/deviated septums/needle-marks. etc, don't bother

tell me the probability that 2 cocaine-users at a party talking about the weather know each other or 1 is a user

if you want to use a bs theory as your "evidence", what are the probabilities it assigns ?

then tell me why wada wastes $10 million/year on drug-testing if marion has passed every one of 100s of drug tests in her career & why they shoudn't just abandon all testing & just pay the money to a randomly picked, previously convicted drug cheat to go around to all the athletes at a meet & just allow the "witchfinder" to point out the guilty athletes & take that as irrefutable proof of guilt & convict ?

to finish off, you can tell me how 2 epo users at a party know each other are users of epo within minutes by just talking about the weather ?

This is not about the obvious that everybody sees (needle marks, etc.)
This is about how life is. There is no difference between two epo users and two cocaine users getting together at a party and hooking up with recognition.

When I interview people for programming positions here at work I ask certain questions and by the way it is answered I know they have good experience or if they are lacking experience.
It is not about the answer, its always about the "way" it is answered.

The probability that two users at a party talk and one knows the other is dirty is about .90 and that both know equally is .75, with 1 being true.

Placing two users at a party is the absolute best condition for one seeing the other truly. For at a party users are usually uncomfortable and looking for some comfort( not withdrawl discomfort, simple mental discomfort). They automatically find your pairing. Many times A comes right up to B and introduce themselves, A doesn't have to do the work many times.

How is it that some guys get all the girls and other good looking guys just don't seem to? Go and ask Stud and He will be only happy to tell you how he works his magic with the babes. When He is done explaining you just say thanks and walk away because it is not a concrete thing like say this to her and she'll fall over into your arms. It's always about the "way" you approach the situation.

Drug testing is shooting fish in a barrel with a bb gun. It is not an exact science and they don't even have proper tests for half the drugs out there. Even the best tests are not even 90% perfect.
Until recently accurate testing has been difficult because the recombinant human EPO made in the lab is virtually identical to the naturally occurring form and there are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the body. Abandoning drug testing now because it seems imperfect and too expensive is a mistake.
The court of Law requires a certain method of capture and these drug policies are the way right now.
When two awesome athletes that are both EPO users get together and chum each other up within minutes of each having questions asked and answers given, A will know B is dirty and B will definitely at the least have serious reservations about A. It's also about guilt and the more you want to hide it the harder it is, especially from another member of your sick little group.

And you know what, until one gets caught, they will protect each other with the most dramatic displays of innocence Hollywood ever saw.

[Chetanji]

Eldridge if I could take you to a social function and let you witness this phenomina first hand it would blow your mind. But truth be told it is always going on all around us all the time.
Haven't you ever been the first to notice two lovers in the office before the rest of the gang does? It comes down to a look one gives the other and if you see clearly in that moment it explodes with knowledge of what another is doing.

If you have children its the same thing when they try to get over on you and you laugh because you are the master of get over and they are rank beginners. They cannot fool you sometimes.

I am not a drug user, and steroids were before my time as a runner. I would not have used them anyway. I was having too much fun as it was. I could not know who is the EPO user, but Marion Jones knows. Boy, anyone with a history like her knows. They know each other only too well. It's like vampires know each other and we just walk by them not knowing.

[eldrick]

This is not about the obvious that everybody sees (needle marks, etc.)
This is about how life is. There is no difference between two epo users and two cocaine users getting together at a party and hooking up with recognition

2 epo/modafinil/forusemide users talking about the weather & one suspecting the other ?

nonsense

When I interview people for programming positions here at work I ask certain questions and by the way it is answered I know they have good experience or if they are lacking experience.
It is not about the answer, its always about the "way" it is answered.

The probability that two users at a party talk and one knows the other is dirty is about .90 and that both know equally is .75, with 1 being true

are these probabilities derived from the bs group theorem ?

Placing two users at a party is the absolute best condition for one seeing the other truly blah blah

i'm not interested in your social theories

parameters are of talking about weather & recognition of drug use

Drug testing is shooting fish in a barrel with a bb gun. It is not an exact science and they don't even have proper tests for half the drugs out there

so wada list consists 1/2 of avalable drugs ?

Even the best tests are not even 90% perfect

aren't the sensitivities/specificities supposed to be well over 99% to comply with iso standards?

Until recently accurate testing has been difficult because the recombinant human EPO made in the lab is virtually identical to the naturally occurring form and there are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the body. Abandoning drug testing now because it seems imperfect and too expensive is a mistake

eh?

the recombo has been out since late '80's & the epo test of wada which claims " to never give a false +ve" has been out since '00

The court of Law requires a certain method of capture and these drug policies are the way right now.
When two awesome athletes that are both EPO users get together and chum each other up within minutes of each having questions asked and answers given, A will know B is dirty and B will definitely at the least have serious reservations about A. It's also about guilt and the more you want to hide it the harder it is, especially from another member of your sick little group.

nonsense

see epo/modafinil/furosemide & weather above

And you know what, until one gets caught, they will protect each other with the most dramatic displays of innocence Hollywood ever saw

excuse me ?

what question is that answering ?

[marknhj]

eh ?

2 cocaine users meet for the 1st time at a party

just by chit-chatting about the weather, 1 or both knows the other is a user ?

Yes, I believe there is a very good chance they would know.

[Chetanji]

And you know what, until one gets caught, they will protect each other with the most dramatic displays of innocence Hollywood ever saw

excuse me ?

what question is that answering ?

Eldrick my dear brother, I feel you are close to a breakthrough.
This is a consciousness where we choose not, to judge another immediately.
We think before we speak or act out.

This is a place of peace within yourself, for you have nothing to prove anymore.
I am not guilty of anything and I care about myself and as such I love and care about my fellow brothers and sisters in this most amazing and strange world.

Back to the top:
One of the Group Dynamics that concerns MJ and the others is:
Perpetuating the Myth of innocence around them.

Typical Example 1:
Media interview after the event in the tent with iced down water bottles, Hero/Heroine, freshly showerd, hydrated and fed, wearing their Trademark gear for the adoring world to see.
It looks good and takes the mind of the public off the real facts.
Undeniable Fact: "Drug addicts are Masters of the Manipulation & Control Game."

The Biggest Ego's are Presidents, CEO's and World & Olympic champions to name a few. We love them and tolerate their eccentricities.
And because we fall for the "Game" or the "Play", when they are shot down in flames on World Wide Television we now are "shocked?"..... Huh......., Oh ,Now we're waking up,................now that the wreckage is strewn all over the playing field.
Hindsight is 20/20. it is very easy to put it all together and see that we were duped.

Question? Why are we angry with MJ and others like her, when actually we are the ignorant ones having believed their "Play".
I should be angry with myself for allowing the ignorance to rain down upon me, and soak through and through while I didn't even care to look at all the obvious facts occurring regularly.

Here's a concrete question for you. "How is it the CIA can go in with a little planning and topple most any foreign government they want?
Answer: It is the same thing. They know how human beings operate and know how to categorize types of people and then manipulate them to their desired outcome.

[Chetanji]

This Wiki is clearly written and explains the several tests done for different types of "Doping" including EPO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping

Maybe the Gates foundation can drop a billion dollars on top of WADA and turn all of this around to a more exacting science that "scares" the athletes straight.