fastest 5k by American on American soil

[DrJay]

I'm bored today, so I looked up pela's list and came up with fast times made in native country for 5000m.

12:49.71 Mohammed Mourhit BEL (Bruxelles)
12:58.19 Craig Mottram AUS (Melbourne)
etc, etc

Man, we need to get you bored more often! Thnks for the lists.

[Jon]

Correct me but Mottram 12.58.19 May 20,06 is fastest and only dub 13:00 run outside of Europe.

That would belong to Augustine Choge with his 12:56.41 at the 2006 Commonwealths. Mottram's time came when finishing second to Choge.

And since the Commonwealth Games were not held in Melbourne, Florida, Mottram's time couldn't have been the fastest ever in the US.

No one was saying it was. Wineturtle was just expanding the conversation by talking about fast 5000s run outside of Europe.

[pickle47]

I didn't see the fastest Ethiopian on Ethiopian soil in that list. Anyone know? It may not be all that given the likely dearth of world class tracks/meets, coupled with Addis Ababa being a little thin in the atmospheric department.

[kuha]

Considering it was 30 years ago, and I assume he ran a solo effort, Henry Rono's 13:08.4 at Berkeley, in a dual meet, although not the fastest, may be the best 5000 meter performance on U.S. soil, and it was a world record at the time.

Good point. He won by 50 seconds, so YES, it was a solo effort! Only one other 5000 record was set on US soil: Clarke's 13:25.8 in L.A. in 1965.

[stallion]

Considering it was 30 years ago, and I assume he ran a solo effort, Henry Rono's 13:08.4 at Berkeley, in a dual meet, although not the fastest, may be the best 5000 meter performance on U.S. soil, and it was a world record at the time.

[kuha]

Hard to think Pre's PR was 'only' 13:21.87, altho his 3M PR was probably marginally superior. It seems as though the shoes and tracks are not that much better now, yet we (well, I) were so mesmerized by his talent. Different era . . .

Different era, indeed. When Pre died, the World Record was 13:13, so he was less than 9 seconds off the WR. Today the WR is 12:37.35. If an American were 9 seconds off that, you'd say he had a great PR.

Very true. Some of the younger folks here may forget how great ANY sub-13:20 time was in that era.

[tandfman]

Hard to think Pre's PR was 'only' 13:21.87, altho his 3M PR was probably marginally superior. It seems as though the shoes and tracks are not that much better now, yet we (well, I) were so mesmerized by his talent. Different era . . .

Different era, indeed. When Pre died, the World Record was 13:13, so he was less than 9 seconds off the WR. Today the WR is 12:37.35. If an American were 9 seconds off that, you'd say he had a great PR.

[tandfman]

Correct me but Mottram 12.58.19 May 20,06 is fastest and only dub 13:00 run outside of Europe.

That would belong to Augustine Choge with his 12:56.41 at the 2006 Commonwealths. Mottram's time came when finishing second to Choge.

And since the Commonwealth Games were not held in Melbourne, Florida, Mottram's time couldn't have been the fastest ever in the US.

[Marlow]

Hard to think Pre's PR was 'only' 13:21.87, altho his 3M PR was probably marginally superior. It seems as though the shoes and tracks are not that much better now, yet we (well, I) were so mesmerized by his talent. Different era . . .

[mcgato]

I'm bored today, so I looked up pela's list and came up with fast times made in native country for 5000m.

12:49.71 Mohammed Mourhit BEL (Bruxelles)
12:58.19 Craig Mottram AUS (Melbourne)
13:02.63 Dieter Baumann GER (Berlin)
13:05.59 Salvatore Antibo ITA (Bologna)
13:06.87 Mustapha Essaïd FRA (Saint-Denis)
13:08.27 Marius Bakken NOR (Bergen)
13:09.84 Juan Carlos de la Ossa ESP (Huelva)
13:11.1A Issac Songok KEN (Nairobi)
13:11.93 Anthony Famiglietti USA (Walnut)
13:14.6 Fernando Mamede POR (Lisboa)
13:15.0 Ilie Floroiu ROU (Bucuresti)
13:15.59 Julian Goater GBR (London)
13:15.6 Valeriy Abramov RUS (Sochi)
13:16.00 Pierre Délèze SUI (Zürich)
13:16.3 Lasse Viren FIN (Helsinki)
13:17.59 Anders Gärderud SWE (Stockholm)
13:18.32 Yu Mitsuya JPN (Nobeoka)
13:18.9 Khalid Boulami MAR (Rabat)
13:19.84 Shadrack Hoff RSA (Stellenbosch)
13:20.82 Mark Carroll IRL (Cork)
13:21.9 Jos Hermens NED (Nijmegen)
13:22.45 Khoudir Aggoune ALG (El Djezair)
13:24.0 Dick Quax NZL (Auckland)
13:25.14 Xia Fengyuan CHN (Shanghai)
13:25.16 Sean Kaley CAN (Victoria)
13:26.46 Evgeni Ignatov BUL (Sofia)
13:27.53 Sergey Lebid UKR (Kiev)
13:27.9 Jerzy Kowol POL (Warszawa)

And fast USAnians in the USA.

13:11.93 Anthony Famiglietti (Walnut)
13:12.14 Bob Kennedy (Eugene)
13:12.35 Bob Kennedy (Atlanta)
13:12.76 Tim Broe (Carson)
13:12.91 Matt Centrowitz (Eugene)
13:14.32 Bernard Lagat (Indianapolis)
13:14.71 Bernard Lagat (Walnut)
13:15.00 Matt Tegenkamp (Indianapolis)
13:15.33 Ian Dobson (Carson)
13:15.72 Alberto Salazar (Eugene)
13:15.77 Bill McChesney (Eugene)
13:16.03 Ryan Hall (Carson)
13:16.42 Doug Padilla (Indianapolis)
13:16.61 Dathan Ritzenheim (Indianapolis)
13:17.13 Sydney Maree (Indianapolis)
13:18.19 Ralph King (Eugene)
13:18.83 Bob Kennedy (Eugene)
13:18.93 Adam Goucher (Indianapolis)
13:19.02 Bob Kennedy (Eugene)
13:19.22 Rudy Chapa (Eugene)
13:19.60 Ryan Wilson (Eugene)
13:19.62 Paul Cummings (Eugene)
13:19.68 Ryan Kirkpatrick (Walnut)
13:19.99 Bob Kennedy (Sacramento)
13:20.13 Todd Williams (Eugene)

I may have muffed some of those, since I'm not 100% sure of some of the cities listed on pela's list. And his crappy site doesn't list the country, just the city of the performance. Sheesh!

Sarcasm off. A crazy good resource.

[Jon]

Correct me but Mottram 12.58.19 May 20,06 is fastest and only dub 13:00 run outside of Europe.

That would belong to Augustine Choge with his 12:56.41 at the 2006 Commonwealths. Mottram's time came when finishing second to Choge.

[wineturtle]

The times at both the LA and Atlanta Olympics were faster than that. Aouita's 13:05.59 in LA may still be the soil record.

I believe te USA All-comers Record is 13:04.01 Tariku Bekele NYC June 2 2007


Correct me but Mottram 12.58.19 May 20,06 is fastest and only dub 13:00 run outside of Europe.

[Jon]

A modest proposal (to gh): One reasonably easy way to stimulate some additional interest in US performers in US meets would be to make this "record" category a bit more prominent...

Scotland plays this up quite a bit and calls them "native records". However, it can be quite confusing.

For example, a few weeks ago they sent out a release saying that Nick Smith had broken the Scottish 'native' 60m record with a run of 6.64. It doesn't take much chinese whispers for that 'native' word to disappear, and that's where the confusion creeps in. Smith actually set the Scottish (national) record of 6.63 a few years back. His recent run was not a PB, nor was it a national record - so people are left wondering exactly what his achievement was.

If people aren't attuned into what 'native' records are, they easily confuse them with national records. And a lot of people here are all for the 'dumbing down' of the sport for it to have a wider appeal. But if announcers, commentators, etc, refrain from using such a term and simply say: "it is the best performance in this country by an athlete from this country", then - I agree - it could be an interesting tidbit for viewers/spectators to know.

[kuha]

A modest proposal (to gh): One reasonably easy way to stimulate some additional interest in US performers in US meets would be to make this "record" category a bit more prominent...

That might work in some events. But in others (the women's 100 and the men's 200 come quickly to mind) it wouldn't make any difference.

That goes without saying. But I have to say that I am/was surprised at this "record"--it's one that could be challenged by several US athletes just about anytime they step on a track.

[stallion]

Before Fam last year, probably Centrowitz's 13:12.91 winning the '82 Pre?

No, I think Master Po was right about Kennedy.

Yeah, and Kennedy posted another 13:12 in Atlanta in '96 which was slower than his Eugene performance but faster than Centro's.