Sub 4 For Galen Rupp?

[George P.]

I feel it may be a bit premature to say running a fast mile has "ruined his season."

Not to worry -- it wasn't "fast." :wink:

[Helen S]

[quote=George P.]

I feel it may be a bit premature to say running a fast mile has "ruined his season."

Not to worry -- it wasn't "fast." :wink:[/quote:17kzprc8]

Not knowing Rupp's mile/ 1500 history, I have a feeling it was at least "pretty fast" for him.

I do understand that the depth in women's distance running is much less than for the men which would allow for better success, but you do see female 10k and 5k runners sliding down to 1500, mile or 3k. Even some marathoners will drop down to 3k/ 5k range for women, but lately it is rare for the men's marathoners to even run a track 10k let alone a shorter race.

[Helen S]

And furthermore, where was the hue and cry when Haile G. was running "fast" mile/1500 races? (I forget which it was, probably 1500)
I do not think it "ruined" him for longer distances.

[26mi235]

And furthermore, where was the hue and cry when Haile G. was running "fast" mile/1500 races? (I forget which it was, probably 1500)
I do not think it "ruined" him for longer distances.

Haile always had speed, excuse me, he had SPEED. A 3:31i mark is pretty good and an indication that he might have done 3:2x, and if had he might have been better able to attack 7:20.

[George P.]

Right. For a given event, the difference between the top guy and the tenth guy is not very much. That's less the case for the women. Which means the top 3 or 4 women can more easily move away from their best event and still be very competitive.

Some day maybe the talent pool for the women will be similar for that for men. But don't expect it any time soon. (One big reason for this is that big chunks of the world still don't give their girls and woman proper athletic opportunities.).

I do understand that the depth in women's distance running is much less than for the men which would allow for better success, but you do see female 10k and 5k runners sliding down to 1500, mile or 3k. Even some marathoners will drop down to 3k/ 5k range for women, but lately it is rare for the men's marathoners to even run a track 10k let alone a shorter race.

And furthermore, where was the hue and cry when Haile G. was running "fast" mile/1500 races? (I forget which it was, probably 1500)
I do not think it "ruined" him for longer distances.

I remember almost 40 years ago when it was said that Frank Shorter was or could be "world class" in every event from 800 to the marathon (don't know if the SC was included). The world was different then; the (male) talent pool was not only much smaller but was "tilted" is a direction quite different from our own time.

[tandfman]

I remember almost 40 years ago when it was said that Frank Shorter was or could be "world class" in every event from 800 to the marathon

Said by whom? I never heard anyone say it, and if anyone had, I think I would have laughed.

[George P.]

I don't know "by whom." I wasn't taking notes, but I would have no reason for just making it up. He was quite successful over a number of different distances, as anyone who was around then probably remembers. I wrote "could be," not just "was."

[Marlow]

Frank was never a threat for the 800 and not in the Mile since high school.

[Gleason]

Sub 4 For Galen Rupp

I don't know "by whom." I wasn't taking notes, but I would have no reason for just making it up. He was quite successful over a number of different distances, as anyone who was around then probably remembers. I wrote "could be," not just "was."

If my memory is accurate, Shorter graduated from Yale in 1969.

I think that he ran 4:02.7 in 1972 at the Florida Relays & 8:28.8 for an indoor 2 - Mile at San Diego in the mid - 1970s.

I don't recall any outstanding performances before his NCAA 6 - Mile win in 1969.

[Helen S]

And furthermore, where was the hue and cry when Haile G. was running "fast" mile/1500 races? (I forget which it was, probably 1500)
I do not think it "ruined" him for longer distances.

Haile always had speed, excuse me, he had SPEED. A 3:31i mark is pretty good and an indication that he might have done 3:2x, and if had he might have been better able to attack 7:20.

The amound of "SPEED" is not relvant to running a mile for a 10k runner. Or will Rupps 4:02 hurt him more than Haile's 3:31? For either one, it was a fast effort.

In regards to Shorter, he did run miles and 2 miles, and seemed to do "ok" in the 10k and Marathon.
I thought it was great that Flanagan plans to run a 1500 before the trials.