Pre 110H

[Charley Shaffer]

The planned fs theory occurred to us in the stands after it happened, and some of us are miffed at the Aries Merritt dns.

For sure, a big, big part of the Pick-N-Win game is using all the information you can muster in an attempt to avoid picking athletes who don't show up.

A very unfortunate part of high-level T&F. I don't know much about the ball sports, but I don't think this happens much in the NFL, MLB, or even the PGA.

[Daisy]

what's really clear is your anti-chinese bias, you dumbasses.

You're kidding?

[cacique]

oh yes, liu and shi rehearsed the whole thing beforehand...

what's really clear is your anti-chinese bias, you dumbasses.

[Dutra]

FWIW, here's Liu's comments after the race, as reported by the AP:

China's biggest track star, Liu Xiang of China, lined up for the 110 hurdles, but flinched early and was disqualified for a false start, turning his trip to America into a nonevent. He scratched from last weekend's meet in New York with a sore hamstring and was apparently well enough to run Sunday, but didn't get his chance.

Asked what happened on the start, he said "nothing happened."

"I didn't even realize I had the false start," Liu said.

Then how come he walked right off the track instead of back to his blocks?

[bruce3404]

FWIW, here's Liu's comments after the race, as reported by the AP:

China's biggest track star, Liu Xiang of China, lined up for the 110 hurdles, but flinched early and was disqualified for a false start, turning his trip to America into a nonevent. He scratched from last weekend's meet in New York with a sore hamstring and was apparently well enough to run Sunday, but didn't get his chance.

Asked what happened on the start, he said "nothing happened."

"I didn't even realize I had the false start," Liu said.

[lonewolf]

Make that three votes for suspected Chinese false start conspiracy.

[Daisy]

At one point i thought he had withdrawn. Was he forced back into the race? If so, then i could see an intentional false start being likely. Will there be a penalty if it is deemed a no effort to compete appearance? And if so what about the athletes that came to PRE in apparently bad shape? Possibly no speed work at all before this meet for many of these athletes? Is the incentive for athlete to do well high enough at this meet?

[marknhj]

I am not normally given to conspiracy theories, but I get the feeling that Liu's team mate set up the first false start (not even close) so that Liu would be able to withdraw from the race while saving face. It just seemed to convenient to me.

Not that I find anything inherently wrong with the tactic, but it just seems far to convenient.

Now, let the arrows being to fly.; ops:

No arrows from me. I thought the same...

[bruce3404]

Not sure if this was on TV, but after the first false start, Liu was rubbing his hamstring a lot while walking back to the blocks for the re-start. No one expected him to start today and it was such a pleasant surprise, but he obviously didn't feel right after the first false start and perhaps intentionally false-started rather than claim injury......perhaps he also was able to pick up his appearance fee that way. I don't think anyone can blame him for not running if he didn't feel 100%, and it was a bit coolish today as well.

[Kevin Richardson]

I am not normally given to conspiracy theories, but I get the feeling that Liu's team mate set up the first false start (not even close) so that Liu would be able to withdraw from the race while saving face. It just seemed to convenient to me.

Not that I find anything inherently wrong with the tactic, but it just seems far to convenient.

Now, let the arrows being to fly.; ops:

[gm]

1
Anwar Moore
USA
13.09
0.157
2
David Payne
USA
13.28
0.155
3
Antwan Hicks
USA
13.30
0.191
4
Joel Brown
USA
13.45
0.168
5
Shi Dongpeng
China
13.50
0.142
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Ryan Wilson
USA
DNF
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Liu Xiang
China
FS

[GeorgiaFan1]

Anyone have the times?

[TrackCEO]

Wow, was that obvious and transparent -- Shi jumps, then Liu jumps. No worries. Relief plastered on Liu's face. :wink:

K E N

[Smoke]

Anyone know what happened to Ryan?

[mump boy]

Liu Xiang is on the starting line.

Not anymore. :shock:

i give up on this game