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  • #31
    Re: No sub-10

    TO TAFNUT:

    I had trouble posting my message, so I kept the previous posting short. Gatlin's 44.2r was at the Sea Ray Relays in Knoxville TN on April 11-13, 2002. It was reported in the April 17, 2002 TN on p.3 and in the May 2002 issue of T&FN on p.22. He also led off the 4x400 indoors at the SEC and the NCAA.

    If Gatlin, Marion Jones or other sprinters with endurance aren't sharp enough at the FOT to make the team in the 100, a 100-400-200 triple should be possible:
    100 -- July 9 & 10
    400 -- July 11, 12 & 14
    200 -- July 16, 17 & 18

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    • #32
      Re: No sub-10

      A 44.2r is close but no cigar. Too many vagaries in a relay split, but I had forgotten that there WERE so many sprinters capable of a superior 100 and 400. I think a lot of people assume that any decent 100 guy could just alter his training a little and excel at at the 400. It's the old 'too lazy to work that hard because I'm already doing well in the short sprint' syndrome. That sorta works at the 800 to mile, or 1500 to 5000, but anerobic capacities don't seem to translate as well. Some very fast people just can't run a quality 400.

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      • #33
        Re: No sub-10

        TO TAFNUT:

        I agree with everything that you wrote, BUT I was responding to your Jan. 13, 2004 posting of "I bet JG never tries a serious 400."

        Although my best event was the Marathon (2:38 in 1976) I ran the 440 and mile relays in JC (52.6r)in 1962. I assume that a relay leg is a "serious 400." T&FN adds 0.7 sec to relay legs, but I agree that an OPEN 400 with automatic timing is necessary for a sub - 45.

        In fact, I noticed that each of Mo Greene's injuries resembles his injury at the end of his WCh win in 2001. I suspect that he cannot tolerate the full speed of an open 100. I doubt that he has done much sprinting since then because of his frequent injuries and because of his body.

        Not only is he VERY MUSCULAR, but he also has done so much strength training that he has STRETCH MARKS ON HIS BODY! I think that he should run 400s indoors in the winter and 200s in the spring because his best chance to make the team at the FOT is 200 - 400 - 100 IN THAT ORDER!

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        • #34
          Re: No sub-10

          The closest was of course Robson da Silva from Brazil, he ran 10.02 in 1986 and 45.06 in 1991 (45.0 hand timing in 1990). He ran also 10.00, but this time is doubtful as all other times from Mexico'88 meet).

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          • #35
            Re: No sub-10

            >TO TAFNUT:

            I agree with everything
            >that you wrote, BUT I was responding to your Jan. 13, 2004 posting of "I bet
            >JG never tries a serious 400."

            Although my best event was the Marathon
            >(2:38 in 1976) I ran the 440 and mile relays in JC (52.6r)in 1962. I assume
            >that a relay leg is a "serious 400." T&FN adds 0.7 sec to relay legs, but I
            >agree that an OPEN 400 with automatic timing is necessary for a sub - 45.

            In
            >fact, I noticed that each of Mo Greene's injuries resembles his injury at the
            >end of his WCh win in 2001. I suspect that he cannot tolerate the full speed
            >of an open 100. I doubt that he has done much sprinting since then because of
            >his frequent injuries and because of his body.

            Not only is he VERY MUSCULAR,
            >but he also has done so much strength training that he has STRETCH MARKS ON HIS
            >BODY! I think that he should run 400s indoors in the winter and 200s in the
            >spring because his best chance to make the team at the FOT is 200 - 400 - 100
            >IN THAT ORDER!



            To my knowledge Mo Green has never run 400 in his career as a world class sprinter. While I agree that his injuries have been causing him problems in the past 2 years, I still think his best chance is running the 100. It's a pretty good chance he'll qualify if he can stay injury free.
            I agree with those who favor JG as a current runner with the ability to do it. He'll probably spend the next several years focusing on the 100 and the 200. He could be the first (only) person to go sub 13 at 110, sub 10 at 100, sub 20 at 200, and sub 45 at 400.

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            • #36
              Re: No sub-10

              <He could be the first (only) person to go sub 13 at 110, sub 10 at 100, sub 20 at 200, and sub 45 at 400.>

              Steve, I don't think this is doable. A combination 110/100, 110/200, 100/200 or 200/400 yes, but even 3 of those four would be something. Four, IMHO no way.
              "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
              by Thomas Henry Huxley

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              • #37
                Re: No sub-10

                I think JG will focus on getting bigger and stronger and that will preclude forays into the 110H or the 400. He obviously has natural talent at the 200, looking at his early success, so I'm betting his coach (TG, yes?) will prepare him for the 100 first, knowing he can convert the 100 speed to the 200. But to add hurdles or the 400 distance would be counter-productive. That's just my hunch. A 400 relay leg early on like Marion always does at Mt. SAC may be in the cards. He would have to run 44-flat to show sub-45 capability, which he could, but won't, the same way Marion never runs up to her capability in the 400 (clearly superior talent, probably her only shot at a WR).

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                • #38
                  Re: No sub-10

                  ><He could be the first (only) person to go sub 13 at 110, sub 10 at 100, sub 20
                  >at 200, and sub 45 at 400.>

                  Steve, I don't think this is doable. A
                  >combination 110/100, 110/200, 100/200 or 200/400 yes, but even 3 of those four
                  >would be something. Four, IMHO no way.

                  I agree, but visting in fantasy land can be fun.

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                  • #39
                    Re: No sub-10

                    Re Greene:

                    >>Not only is he VERY MUSCULAR,
                    >but he also has done so much strength training that he has STRETCH MARKS ON HIS
                    >BODY!<<

                    So do I. I'm not hypermuscular. It doesn't take much of an increase in muscle mass to cause stretch marks...

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                    • #40
                      Re: No sub-10

                      TO TAFNUT & KIRSNER 72:

                      My point about an opportunity to qualify in the 100 - 400 & 200 is simple:

                      1. The US has so much sprint talent AND the FOT
                      is so early that sprinters deserve every
                      possible chance to make the team.
                      2. A 400 race is the most fair way to choose
                      the 4x400 team. Specialists from 400, 800,
                      sprints & hurdles can compete.
                      3. I noticed that all of Mo Greene's injuries
                      look the same. I suspect that he is so
                      muscular because he cannot tolerate intense
                      sprint training. I was at the last two
                      USAT&F outdoor championships and Greene was
                      more muscular than any other runner.

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                      • #41
                        Re: No sub-10

                        some interesting analysis on this topic ( I finally found it !)

                        you have to excuse the juvenile verbiage intermixed - it is

                        de rigeur

                        for IAAF board


                        http://www.iaaf.org/community/forums/Li ... icID=14739

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                        • #42
                          Re: No sub-10

                          i don't think there is even a sub-10 sub-20 other than Johnson; apart from mj , of the elite quartermilers washington and everett have the best 200s both at about 20.08 check it out: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ... 18265.html

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                          • #43
                            Re: No sub-10

                            oops ment to say don't think there is a sub-20 sub-45 besides johnson; apart from mj , of the elite quartermilers washington and everett have the best 200s both at about 20.08 check it out: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ... 18265.html

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                            • #44
                              Re: No sub-10

                              Tommie Smith

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                              • #45
                                Re: No sub-10

                                Francis Obikwelu used to be a very competitive quartermiler. He has already gone under 10 and claims that he will run more quarters this year and in the near future, so we could see that double very soon.

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