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  • tafnut
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    Wasn't Joe Dial (19'6.5) 'vertically challenged'?

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  • Cooter Brown
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    Shunsuke Shimo of Japan couldn't have been 5'2" and jumped 17'2 3/4", 5.25.

    Used to be a great video on stabhochsprung.com of him vaulting at the World Jrs in Chile clearing 17'00 3/4" on a 15' pole.

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  • Cooter Brown
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    Phillipe Collet was only 5'5" or 5'6" and jumped 19'5 1/2" or whatever 5.93 converts to

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  • vaulter83
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    Some say that Dupe was only 5'6 with cowboy boots - 5'5 without.

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  • KLocke
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    Dennis Yurchenko is 5'8" and thin. Rens Blom, World Indoor Bronze is about 5'9

    Yurchencho has vaulted 5.81


    >Unofficial first 14ft-er(14'5 1/4!) was Andrea Muller, in an exhibition
    >competition, Oct.'95. She was 5'3 - how many men that height have gone as
    >high?(probably not many, as they'd be in another event, i.e., gymnastics) Or
    >5'4 1/4 and 15'9 (Feofanova)?

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  • bf
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    Unofficial first 14ft-er(14'5 1/4!) was Andrea Muller, in an exhibition competition, Oct.'95. She was 5'3 - how many men that height have gone as high?(probably not many, as they'd be in another event, i.e., gymnastics) Or 5'4 1/4 and 15'9 (Feofanova)?

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  • Cooter Brown
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    I think most national class american men don't consider a 19' vault 19-feet unless it is 5.80 (19'00 1/4"), same with 18-feet...virtually everyone wants 5.50 (18-00 1/2) instead.

    Maybe it's from being ingrained with the metric system in college.

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  • marknhj
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    So, in 10-20-30-40-50 years, when the next barriers approach, will the athlete want to clear:

    5.19, 5.20 or 17'?

    And after that:
    5.49, 5.50 or 18'?

    LOL (I vote for the middle in each...I'm with Powell)

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  • KLocke
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    It's all good.....

    Annika Becker is not going to complain after you annouce that she's jump 16ft.

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  • Powell
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    >Helps show why feet barriers
    >are better than metric barriers: you get more of them to break! :-)

    Not really... in metric terms, every 10 cm can be considered a barrier - if it has a zero at the end, it's a round number :-)

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  • gh
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    Women's PV Barriers (recent stuff only)(

    13' & 4.00 4.00/13-11/2 Chunzhen Zhang (Chn) ’91
    14' 4.27/14-0i Caiyun Sun (Chn) ’96
    4.50 4.50/14-9 Emma George (Aus) ’97
    15' 4.57/15-0 Emma George (Aus) ’98
    15'5 4.70/15-5 Stacy Dragila (US) ’00

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  • gh
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    Men's PV barrier breakers (from The Big Green Book):

    11' 3.37/11-3/4 Henry Kayll (GB) ’77
    12' 3.69/12-11/4 Norman Dole (US) ’04
    13' 3.99/13-1 Robert Gardner (US) ’12
    4.00 4.02/13-21/4 Marc Wright (US) ’12
    14' 4.27/14-0 Sabin Carr (US) ’27
    4.50 4.54/14-11 Bill Sefton (US) ’37
    15' 4.57/15-0 Dutch Warmerdam (US) ’40
    16' 4.88i/16-1/4 John Uelses (US) ’62
    [outdoors—4.89/16-3/4 Uelses ’62]
    5.00 5.00i/16-43/4 Pentti Nikula (Fin) ’63
    [outdoors—5.00/16-43/4 Brian Sternberg (US) ’63]
    17' 5.20/17-3/4 John Pennel (US) ’63
    18' 5.49/18-0 Chris Papanicolaou (Gre) ’70
    5.50 5.51/18-1 Kjell Isaksson (Swe) ’72
    19' 5.80/19-1/4 Thierry Vigneron (Fra) ’81
    6.00 6.00/19-81/4 Sergey Bubka (SU) ’85
    20' 6.10i/20-0 Sergey Bubka (SU) ’91
    [outdoors—6.10/20-0 Bubka ’91]

    Helps show why feet barriers are better than metric barriers: you get more of them to break! :-)

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  • Powell
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    OK, maybe 'intuitive' wasn't the right word... Of course, any units of measurement are arbitrary... However, Europeans think in metric terms. Even if they are familiar with imperial measurements (like I am), they can't grasp them directly. 5 meters actually means something to me. 16 feet doesn't until I convert it mentally to 4.88 (or 'a bit less than 5 meters', depending on the required level of precision). Therefore, I will not consider 16 feet a round number and will not be particularly excited by clearance of this height (unlike 5 meters).

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  • newvaulter
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    Frankly I feel like neither barrier should feel "intuitively" more important than the other. Each system is a completely made up attempt by civilization to standardize things so they can say "he vaulted this high, he vaulted this high, so he's better." We can pick the numbers however we want, a height of 16' could be called 4.88m or 532 quats or 38 hands or whatever. I think the point is, we as a society and as vaulters have decided to use either the English or metric systems, and as they're both simply designed with purely utilitarian purposes, I think neither barrier is more important than the other. If I were going to jump all of my meets in metric, I would probably shoot for jumping 560, 570, 580, etc., but I would at the same time hopefully identify that these heights could be expressed in English measurements. I know as an American vaulter, I am always aware of the "translated" metric height of the bars I am jumping at, and hitting a pr of 460 or 475 is just as significant to me as saying I pr'ed at 15' or 15'6". That thought was kind of muddled, but I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure one societally fabricated "barrier" should feel any more important than another. I think any athelte is happy with a pr, and clearly the women right now are shooting for 5m. But Stacy certainly, and I believe also the Russian women as well, are looking at 16' as the first step in that direction.

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  • Powell
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    >In Charles Dumas obituary, central
    >European newspapers I followed emphasized how important those marks are for the
    >Americans.

    I've also read that. The obits were just cut-and-pasted from the US press release - I don't see how that proves your point...
    Just to make my position clear: I lived in the US for a year, so I'm familiar with the imperial system. I'm also good at math and I know, without using a calculator, that 16 ft. is 4.88m. Still, the imperial barrier just doesn't intuitively feel important to me.

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