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  • No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

    Check out the story on the front page: the need for USATF to name the Olympic team right as the Trials ends is probably going to make a big difference in the way people try to get qualifiers.

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    Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

    This was pretty much announced within Committees at Stanford. IMHO, its the right way to do it. No more killing yourself looking for a time, then embarrassing yourself when you get there.

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    • #3
      Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

      Wow, it looks now that Grant Robison is definitely in the drivers seat since he is the only active US 1500meter runner with the "A" standard. Lunn, Berryhill, and several other top US 1500meter runners could find themselves off the team. It is now imperative that Lunn and Berryhill get the "A" standard in either the spring or early summer. These two may pay the price for not getting the standard last year. Robison is the king for now.

      Question:
      Couldn't Lunn's 3:54 mile last year be considered the "A" for the 1500meters. We have to assume during that race Lunn pasted through the 1500 in at least 3:36.

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      • #4
        Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

        Lunn went through in 3:39.58.

        In any case, the IAAF has not accepted mile times for WC/OG qualifying for many years now. They did accept mile time sfor the indoor WC in Lisbon in '01, but that brief quirk--unfortunately--disappeared for Birmingham last year and won't be available for Budapest this year either.

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        • #5
          Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

          <<Lunn went through in 3:39.58.

          In any case, the IAAF has not accepted mile times for WC/OG qualifying for many years now. They did accept mile time sfor the indoor WC in Lisbon in '01, but that brief quirk--unfortunately--disappeared for Birmingham last year and won't be available for Budapest this year either.>>

          What incentive is there for running the mile in an Olympic year. Why bust your balls getting a 3:53 mile when it won't qualify you for anything.
          It is a shame Lunn and Berryhill couldn't have been .5 of a second faster last year. Lets hope for the sake of US 1500meter running they both get the "A" standard this year.

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          • #6
            Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

            Is the US policy going to be still the same that the winner goes with a "B" standard as long as only one "A" is out there?
            "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
            by Thomas Henry Huxley

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            • #7
              Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

              "What incentive is there for running the mile in an Olympic year."

              It's called money - they offer it at Grand Prix meets like Bislett. The people there already have their A standards well in hand.

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              • #8
                Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

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                It's called money - they offer it at Grand Prix meets like Bislett. The people there already have their A standards well in hand.>>

                That wouldn't apply to many US middle distance runners. In the good olds days we automatically assumed that Spivey, Scott, Byers, Lacy, and Harbour would automatically get the "A" standard. That is not surprising since they were all sub 3:52 milers. In those days we asked ourselves how many Americans will make the finals at the Olympics. Today we just hope our runners can get the "A" standard.

                Why hasn't the USTAF done anything about this distance running crisis? What can they do?

                On a positive note it cannot get any worse.

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                • #9
                  Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                  >Why hasn't the USTAF done anything about this distance
                  >running crisis? What can they do?

                  It is easy to sit on the sidelines and bleat about the poor high end quality, especially where here in Canada there is even less leadership in this regards from the national body. But it is a completely different matter to actually put forward useful ideas.

                  What, specifically, would YOU suggest USATF do "about this distance running crisis"? They can't provide subsidized EPO, nor can they actually get out there and put in the miles for the athletes. And with the evaporation of outside or corporate financing, there aren't gobs of money that can be thrown at this program or that program which claim to be developing a resurgance in distance running.

                  I've noticed those who do have ideas are never the ones publicly complaining about the lack of quality.

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                  • #10
                    Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                    >. . . the IAAF . . . did accept mile times for he indoor WC in Lisbon in '01, but that brief quirk--unfortunately--disappeared for Birmingham ast year and won't be available for Budapest this year either.<

                    Yes, they will.

                    http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... ds_in.html

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                    • #11
                      Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                      We often criticize our athletes for not being in top shape when it counts. If we take away the option of qualifying after the Trials, we force them to be in top shape even earlier. Bad idea, IMHO.

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                      • #12
                        Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                        Could this decision force a faster Olympic Trail 1500 and 5000 meter final.

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                        • #13
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                          I think it is a wonderful idea. I think the USATF
                          should go even farther and only let those in who have made the A qualifying time. Sure we would end up with a handful in the distance races but at least the races would mean something. As for peaking too early, I think that is wishful thinking. The number of runners who chased a qualifying time after the Trials and did something useful at the Olympics is equal to the number of gold medals Oddjob has. (If you have been paying attention lately you the answer to that one!)

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                          • #14
                            Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                            ><<
                            It's called money - they offer it at Grand Prix meets like Bislett. The
                            >people there already have their A standards well in hand.>>

                            That wouldn't
                            >apply to many US middle distance runners. In the good olds days we
                            >automatically assumed that Spivey, Scott, Byers, Lacy, and Harbour would
                            >automatically get the "A" standard. That is not surprising since they were
                            >all sub 3:52 milers. In those days we asked ourselves how many Americans will
                            >make the finals at the Olympics. Today we just hope our runners can get the
                            >"A" standard.

                            How many major Mile races are run in the US rather than 1500m?

                            Why hasn't the USTAF done anything about this distance
                            >running crisis? What can they do?>

                            I don't know. The hammer throwers and Javelin throwers don't look all that great either.

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                            • #15
                              Re: No More Chasing A Standards Post-OT?

                              >>. . . the IAAF . . . did accept mile times for he indoor WC in Lisbon in '01,>but that brief quirk--unfortunately--disappeared for Birmingham ast year and won't be available for Budapest this year either.

                              <Yes, they will.>>
                              http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists ... ds_in.html

                              That's great--so why isn't there a men's mile at the U.S. Indoor Championships? Wasn't the reason for switching to the 1500 last year the fact that a mile time couldn't be used for qualifying for the Indoor Worlds?

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