Here's a trivia question that isn't very relevant, but, I'm curious...any of you stat whiz's out there know the circumstances of the first exactly 4 minute flat mile was run? I almost wrote first 4:00.00 mile, but it may have been before electronic timing was the norm.
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Originally posted by paulthefanthe probability is very very small.
Look at pela2's site for the mile.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_mileok.htm
Code:317 3:52.0 John Walker, NZL 11.07.1977 527 3:53.00 Joaquim Carvalho Cruz, BRA 13.05.1984 755 3:54.00 John Walker, NZL 27.08.1980 755 3:54.00 Steve Cram, GBR 20.09.1986 755 3:54.00+ Ismaïl Sghyr, FRA 12.07.1995 975 3:55.00 Hervé Phélippeau, FRA 06.07.1991 975 3:55.00+ Daniel Komen, KEN 01.09.1996
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Seems like there's just as much chance for a 4:00.00 as there would be a 3:59.99 or 4:00.01. I can't imagine that it hasn't happened.
http://www.runningtimes.com/Article.asp ... &PageNum=2
. An exact 4:00.00 was first achieved on September 3, 1958 by England's Derek Ibbotson in a fourth-place finish behind Herb Elliott at White City.You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!
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Originally posted by scottmitchell74Seems like there's just as much chance for a 4:00.00 as there would be a 3:59.99 or 4:00.01. I can't imagine that it hasn't happened.
http://www.runningtimes.com/Article.asp ... &PageNum=2
. An exact 4:00.00 was first achieved on September 3, 1958 by England's Derek Ibbotson in a fourth-place finish behind Herb Elliott at White City.
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It was an evening floodlit meeting at the White City, London, sponsored by the Evening News (a newspaper), a match between Warsaw and London for men and women, with some international standard invites for added interest.
Herb Elliott had recently broken the world mile record and there was a lot of interest in his performance.
...after Marsden led through quarters in 59.6 and 2:00.4, Elliott took the lead at the start of the back straight and though Hewson held him until the bell, reached in 2:59.6, he ran right away when he turned the heat on over the last 300 yards to win by 25 yards in 3:55.4, a White City record.
1. H. Elliott (Australia) 3:55.4
2. B. Hewson (Mitcham AC) 3:58.9 pb
3. Z. Orywal (Warsaw) 3:59.7
4. D. Ibbotson (London) 4:00.0
5. M. Blagrove (London) 4:00.0 pb
6. S. Lewandowski (Warsaw) 4:01.7
7. G. Everett (Shettleston) 4:03.8
8. M. Berisford (Sale Harriers) 4:05.3
Warsaw won the men's match 82 points to 72, but lost the women's match 29 points to 33.
Report from AW 12.37.14
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Re: high school kids asks me who was first sub 4min 1600...
Originally posted by wineturtledo we give gunder haggs 4:01.4 from 1945 the first sub 4 1600 or does the good dr bannister get it ?
16 X 100/109.36 = 14.6 seconds
14.6 + 3:45.4 =4:00.0
QED
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Re: high school kids asks me who was first sub 4min 1600...
Originally posted by Conor DaryOriginally posted by wineturtledo we give gunder haggs 4:01.4 from 1945 the first sub 4 1600 or does the good dr bannister get it ?
16 X 100/109.36 = 14.6 seconds
14.6 + 3:45.4 =4:00.0
QED
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Originally posted by runforfunSo it is Derek Ibbotson...darn those Brits...they get all the firsts in the mile!
I have for some unaccountable reason got to this point in my life under the impression that the first man to run a mile in under four minutes indoors was Ron Delaney.
I have just this week discovered that my impression is wrong. So that's one where I tip my hat to the Americans.
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