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    Mr. Logan would like some accountability -

    http://www.usatf.org/about/leadership/ShinSplintsBlog/

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    :!: :!: Here's to hoping he gets some, in major dosages @ every level!

    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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    • #3
      This afternoon, after I read Doug's blog, I shot him a 13-question email Q&A request, with this as the second question:

      You also cite Section A.3, which states a USATF mission: "Fielding the most competent United States individuals and teams for international competition in Athletics and providing support and conditions for athletes at all levels of the sport which ensure optimal performance." Does this include fielding teams for world masters competitions? If so, how can USATF help?
      I'd never read those bylaws carefully before. But if Doug observes the spirit and letter of Section A.3, he must address "all levels" of track and field. That includes us geezers.

      K E N
      K E N

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      • #4
        doug logan is just making speeches here...

        i closely follow usa soccer and mls, and while usa clubs soccer is better, it's still the sort of clubs who get beat by joe public and tauro fc....

        clubs where the players have a 40 hour work week and ain't pros...

        so this spin from logan is pathetic....

        if you want to fall for the propaganda do so...

        i'd be more interested in usatf having financial systems i place, so people rated from slots 10-50 have access to funds to train, and access to solid coaching...

        that's the sort of stuff i'd prefer logan to explore, but i doubt he's even thinging of it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by az2004
          so this spin from logan is pathetic....
          if you want to fall for the propaganda do so...
          i'd be more interested in usatf having financial systems i place, so people rated from slots 10-50 have access to funds to train, and access to solid coaching...
          that's the sort of stuff i'd prefer logan to explore, but i doubt he's even thinging of it.
          That seems kinda cynical

          If he really were as concerned as he wants to appear, isn't this exactly what he'd say? Why do you dismiss him out of hand? At least give him a chance - a year - to make good.

          To fund places 10-50 and provide adequate support would require FAR MORE money than USATF has. How do you propose he pay for your ideas?

          If you were in his place how would you REALISTICALLY proceed? I think he's doing the right things NOW, but like you, I'd like to seen some 'results' in a year.

          Sure I'm optimistic; why shouldn't I be? We got what we asked for (and could afford) - an outsider with some 'vision'.

          az, give him a chance!!

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          • #6
            how to pay?

            Stroke Phil Knight for a $1B endowment to the Phil Knight Elite Athlete Development Program that provides deep support to the top 10 athletes and less to the next 20 in each event.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by az2004
              i'd be more interested in usatf having financial systems i place, so people rated from slots 10-50 have access to funds to train, and access to solid coaching...
              Much of the money comes from the USOC which is part of why so much of it goes to the top athletes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by polevaultpower
                Originally posted by az2004
                i'd be more interested in usatf having financial systems i place, so people rated from slots 10-50 have access to funds to train, and access to solid coaching...
                Much of the money comes from the USOC which is part of why so much of it goes to the top athletes.
                The money does in fact come from the USOC or major sponsors who earmark it. The USOC money is supposed to be spent for medal production. Nothing further than that is stated. Any other decisions on how the HP funds are allocated comes directly from Brooks and his small funding committee. They routinely reject proposals, or underfund them, from events that are more than one lap or not for relays.

                The amount of USOC $ that actually gets into the hands of athletes who need it is abysmally low. $2000-$4000 a year is the most anyone can expect and many of the recipients are not in need of the money, as they have nice shoe contracts that pay them salaries and cover health benefits too. Some athletes have turned down money to help the next person in their event and then the money is not given to that person, but some other favored son/daughter of the all-powerful Zeus.

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                • #9
                  A sad pathetic game is afoot.
                  Have faith if you want, your desire to have a "better" sport is not the game being played here.
                  Lack of practice and preparation is not the reason we have dropped the baton, AT ALL. That is just fact. They probably had more practice time this year than any other before. Same for the Brits. Dropped batons are a part of the event, it is like hitting a hurdle in a hurdle race. Tragic yes but not for lack of preparation.

                  This misguided witch hunt is being played out in the public arena. Is that good?

                  BTW, I do not believe for a minute what is going down. I will watch though, looks like a rip roaring good time this fall.

                  And there is no way the USOC or USATF will ever be able to afford to fund athletes in the US, too many in number.

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                  • #10
                    I am VERY biased on this topic, but I think it would be helpful to strengthen the elite development clubs program.

                    The track club I work for supports local emerging elite athletes. The support is very modest. Athletes get a reimbursement account between $150 and $1800 (depending on their PR) that they can use to reimburse expenses from training and meets. Brooks sponsors our team and provides us with a certain number of free shoes and clothes for the team athletes. A local shoe store has provided a few pairs of free and discounted spikes for our field event athletes for whom Brooks does not make spikes. We send teams to Club Nationals in track and cross country every year.

                    We had 4 athletes qualify for the Olympic Trials (and another JUST missed the cut) plus two masters athletes. Our best finish (not counting masters) was 6th in the discus.

                    It gives a number of athletes motivation to keep training after college. We have made a difference for many athletes over the years.

                    The sad thing is that there are very few clubs out there like ours. I think if every region had a couple clubs like this, our emerging elite athletes would be in at least a slightly better position.

                    I would also love to see the shoe companies let their athletes compete for Clubs on the side.

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                    • #11
                      I think this is a good thing. Doug Logan is showing he is unafraid to look outside the box instead of accepting business as usual. Let the chips fall where they may. :!:

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                      • #12
                        I think what DL is suggesting is promising. Of course with that it's now a case of showing us.

                        Let's hope that he truly and fully acts upon his statements,they do thorough reviews of many elements of the sport and act accordingly.

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