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Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by ghYou willing to bet on that?
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Nope. But I would be willing to bet greater than 95% of those that are dated before 1990 are. And I guess the difference in opinion is that you are unwilling to throw out even 1 valid record in order trash 25 or 30 PED aided ones and I am.
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by ghYou willing to bet on that?
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Originally posted by donley2Nope. But I would be willing to bet greater than 95% of those that are dated before 1990 are. And I guess the difference in opinion is that you are unwilling to throw out even 1 valid record in order trash 25 or 30 PED aided ones and I am.
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In a different connection to the OP, I was thinking about how the current performers from different countries compare with the 1980's era performers. Those countries that have not had the massive reduction are an interesting contrast with those that have seen that reduction, although East Germany is a special, non-comparable case. [I also realize that the end of strong national sponsorship also enhanced marks because of the identification and systematic and well-coached training.]
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Originally posted by ghto the average athlete, breaking a steroid rule was something you laughed at, same as taking money under the table. Was all part of the game.
I think Bolt's 9.69 and 19.30 are as bizarre, anomalous and 'suspicious' as ALL the records pre-2000, but I certainly am not willing to say, on or off the record, that he's dirty. By asking to throw out all the pre-2000 records, without any facts in evidence to their uncleanliness, you are, in effect, UNJUSTLY (in the literal sense of the word) accusing all them of being dirty. Interesting. Seems to somehow transgress board guidelines.
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by ghto the average athlete, breaking a steroid rule was something you laughed at, same as taking money under the table. Was all part of the game.
I think Bolt's 9.69 and 19.30 are as bizarre, anomalous and 'suspicious' as ALL the records pre-2000, but I certainly am not willing to say, on or off the record, that he's dirty. By asking to throw out all the pre-2000 records, without any facts in evidence to their uncleanliness, you are, in effect, UNJUSTLY (in the literal sense of the word) accusing all them of being dirty. Interesting. Seems to somehow transgress board guidelines.
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Re: Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!
Originally posted by Omega4ulOriginally posted by bushopOriginally posted by nmzooMy solution - Increase the weight of the shot 10g and start over!
How heavy would a boy's shot have to be for the top HS throw in the US to be 52 feet (usually the top girl's throw)? Around 9-11kg? The women's shot puts are too heavy.
4K for High School and Juniors
4.5 or 5 K for the Pros
We all know that the old records were acheived during a dishonest period. Lets start fresh and add a little excitement to the event!
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Originally posted by marknhjOriginally posted by MarlowSo are you willing to bet that EVERY record before 2000 is dirty?
Yes, I'm willing to bet every single one set before 2000 is dirty.
and Vlasic at 2.07, 2.09 looks more human than the other records.
(And, more generally, after a possibly ten year dip the overall level
of the event is about as strong as ever.)
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by donley2GH never mentioned a specific year. Only you did. I mentioned 1990.
Any talk about 2000 was related to its utter logic as a starting point for new records; not only the round-number appeal of the millennium but also the foundation of WADA.
And, to clarify, I've never advocated throwing out the old records, merely the classification of the earlier ones as "old millennium" (era, whatever noun you want) and the others as "new X."
Do I think that all marks made since then are clean? To paraphrase Marlow paraphrasing Texas HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
But do I think they're a quantum leap cleaner? One need only look at the marks.
As donley2 said <<you are unwilling to throw out even 1 valid record in order trash 25 or 30 PED aided ones and I am.>>
Me too. The credibility of the sport is at stake.
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Originally posted by ghBut do I think they're a quantum leap cleaner? One need only look at the marks.
The credibility of the sport is at stake.
As to the latter statement . . . I have always been a big fan of your sense of humor! :twisted:
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