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  • Pego
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    Re: Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!

    Originally posted by Tuariki
    The women's shot should be the 5:00kg.
    I am confident Adams will get over 18m
    Yes.

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  • Tuariki
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    Re: Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!

    The women's shot should be the 5:00kg.
    I am confident Adams will get over 18m

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  • GMH454
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    woe is the world womens shot put ... it is in a slump, .....

    hmmmm did not Val equal the WC record. Not denying the obvious but think ignoring Ms Adams achievements is rather strange ..

    let's leave the weight where it is and give Val a chance to correct the history books

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  • NormZylstra
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    IAAF has gone to the 3kg shot put for U18. I hope the USATF will do the same thing.
    Rule Changes – Throwing Implement Weights – Youth Girls and MIdget Girls

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  • Kurt Francis
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    [quote=deuch]
    Originally posted by
    Going from 4kg to 5kg for the women is too much I think. But 4.200Kg should be doable. That would give us a WR in the 17-18m (58ft ?) range. Just about where Tamara Press was 40 years ago. Nothing wrong with that.
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    I think they missed an excellent opportunity when they did not change to new WRs at the new millennium.[/quote

    Is 5kg really too much for the adult women. Vili is reported to use 6 and 6.5 kg shots in practice.

    "Vili is throwing two extra-heavy shots - 6kg and 6.5kg instead of 4kg - which sink on impact."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/olympic-games ... d=10391311

    Would she do this if she lost form doing it?
    Huh? 4.2kg? That is almost no difference at all. Less than 1/2 pound. I think you would see records in the 19m range with VV.

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  • deuch
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    [quote=
    Going from 4kg to 5kg for the women is too much I think. But 4.200Kg should be doable. That would give us a WR in the 17-18m (58ft ?) range. Just about where Tamara Press was 40 years ago. Nothing wrong with that.
    ....
    I think they missed an excellent opportunity when they did not change to new WRs at the new millennium.[/quote]

    Is 5kg really too much for the adult women. Vili is reported to use 6 and 6.5 kg shots in practice.

    "Vili is throwing two extra-heavy shots - 6kg and 6.5kg instead of 4kg - which sink on impact."

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/olympic-games ... d=10391311

    Would she do this if she lost form doing it?

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  • Per Andersen
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    Originally posted by Pego
    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by gh
    So one wouldn't expect high schoolers to be throwing the heavier one.
    On average, an elite woman is weaker than a HS boy. The 11-lber will be too heavy for almost all over them. If you're interested in watching elite women shoving the shot 50', then by all means make the switch.
    This is where we differ. Look at the big women, Valerie Vili, for example. The 4kg shot just disappears in her hand. For the putters of the '70-'80ies, it was actually ridiculous. I remember an instance where Fibingerová's put was disqualified, because she "threw" it instead of "putting"it.

    BTW, I am not making any comments on those '80ies putters, just describing what I saw.
    Going from 4kg to 5kg for the women is too much I think. But 4.200Kg should be doable. That would give us a WR in the 17-18m (58ft ?) range. Just about where Tamara Press was 40 years ago. Nothing wrong with that.


    With the Discus? 1.5Kg? With that weight they could aim for Olga Connolly's old Olympic record from '56. 176ft or 53.68.

    At this point I think Women's Discus is the least popular of all the field events. If I was forced to eliminate events, one event at the time, the first to go would be the discus for women.

    I think they missed an excellent opportunity when they did not change to new WRs at the new millennium.

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  • NormZylstra
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    Originally posted by Pego
    Originally posted by Marlow

    This is where we differ. Look at the big women, Valerie Vili, for example. The 4kg shot just disappears in her hand. .
    Then bump the diameter to 120mm.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by Pego
    This is where we differ.
    OK, new tack - Right now the best men putters are those with superior technique. Strongest guy doesn't necessarily win. If you up the wSP to 11 lb, then, relative to men's strength levels vis-a-vis the 16-lber, the event becomes MUCH more a strength event than technique event. The woman with the biggest incline press wins much more often the the man with the best incline. Is that what you want? If so, women's power-lifting already is a sport.

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  • Pego
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by gh
    So one wouldn't expect high schoolers to be throwing the heavier one.
    On average, an elite woman is weaker than a HS boy. The 11-lber will be too heavy for almost all over them. If you're interested in watching elite women shoving the shot 50', then by all means make the switch.
    This is where we differ. Look at the big women, Valerie Vili, for example. The 4kg shot just disappears in her hand. For the putters of the '70-'80ies, it was actually ridiculous. I remember an instance where Fibingerová's put was disqualified, because she "threw" it instead of "putting"it.

    BTW, I am not making any comments on those '80ies putters, just describing what I saw.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by gh
    So one wouldn't expect high schoolers to be throwing the heavier one.
    On average, an elite woman is weaker than a HS boy. The 11-lber will be too heavy for almost all over them. If you're interested in watching elite women shoving the shot 50', then by all means make the switch.

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  • gh
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    So one wouldn't expect high schoolers to be throwing the heavier one.

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  • Marlow
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    My bad on 11 vs. 12 lb., but the issue remains. I train our shot putters sometimes and the higher the weight, the less you can get it out on your fingers where it needs to be. An 11 vs. 8.8 shot, 25% heavier, will make the finger/hand snap at the end of the put even more difficult to effectively utilize, making it more like the rock you mentioned.

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  • Pego
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    Re: Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!

    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Pego
    Just look how they are throwing it. Like a rock, not putting it. I'll bet you another hot dog in Eugene that big gals like VV, MC would have nearly the same (if not the same) distance with 5 as with 4.
    To go from an 8.8 lb shot to a 12 lb shot, they'll be MORE inclined to shove it like rock. And I'll leave it to eldrick to explain why an increase of 36% in weight cannot possibly result in similar results. Do you believe the men could throw a 21 lb shot just as far?
    1. No
    2. No
    3. No

    5 kg is 11, not 12 lb. The increase would be 25%.
    The men's shot weight is just right, increase would push it into a circus stage, slight reduction would not make much difference. Just right .

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  • Marlow
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    Re: Women's Shot - How Far The Mghty Have Fallen!

    Originally posted by Pego
    Just look how they are throwing it. Like a rock, not putting it. I'll bet you another hot dog in Eugene that big gals like VV, MC would have nearly the same (if not the same) distance with 5 as with 4.
    To go from an 8.8 lb shot to a 12 lb shot, they'll be MORE inclined to shove it like rock. And I'll leave it to eldrick to explain why an increase of 36% in weight cannot possibly result in similar results. Do you believe the men could throw a 21 lb shot just as far?

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