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so who's No. 1 in the marathon?
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Re: so who's No. 1 in the marathon?
Originally posted by ghWR vs. Olympic title
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Originally posted by imaginativeGeb. Undefeated, WR, and one hell of a supporting time.
Notably, Wanjiru took a defeat, and several of the best (including
Geb) were missing in Beijing. (Generally, the OGs are less important
in the Marathon than in other events.)
I think TFN also puts a weight on how deep your competition is, so even though Geb ran the two fastest times ever this year, Wanjiru's races were probably the two deepest this year. I guess it comes down to what you value more - fast times, or depth of competition. I think this year it should go to Wanjiru by a hair (as much as I am a Geb fan).
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Re: so who's No. 1 in the marathon?
Originally posted by trackheadOriginally posted by ghWR vs. Olympic title
But having to choose between achievement and potential, the answer (this year) seems obvious.
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Originally posted by kuhaI'd vote for Geb, too, but could accept Sammy getting the nod. In this event, you're absolutely comparing apples to oranges, particularly in an Olympic year. It's a highly subjective call...
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1 1 1 » Gebrselassie, Haile (ETH) M35 02:03:59 02:03:59
2 1 10 » Kwambai, James (KEN) MH 02:05:36 02:05:36
3 1 2 » Kamathi, Charles (KEN) M30 02:07:48 02:07:48
4 2 97 » Kipchumba, Mariko (KEN) M30 02:09:03 02:09:03
5 2 9 » Ademasu, Mesfin (ETH) MH 02:12:02 02:12:02
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Originally posted by joeltetreault
I was actually thinking the opposite - that this year's Olympics were actually one of the most stacked in a very long time.
carry a greater weight than a Marathon that was less deep. My point
was rather that, unlike most other events, an olympic Marathon is not
automatically heads-and-shoulders above other competitions in inherent
value. A good comparison could be tennis, with four Grand Slam
tournaments and the Olympics.
If, hypothetically and in contrast, Bolt would have gone for the 400m
only, and finished sixth, and Powell or Gay had taken the 100m title,
I would have been much more likely to agree with ranking the olympic
gold winner above the 9.72 WR holder. (Note that we would not have
known how awesome Bolt was in this scenario.)
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Either choice makes sense, and the reasons could be understood on either side. While a vote for Geb seems clear, at this point, I would vote for Wanjiru, bc I do think the OG marathon does matter more than a major victory, and in this case even a WR. So, I would disagree with the sentiment expressed above that the OG marathon is comparable in value to OG tennis. I would suggest, rather, that the OG marathon is where much marathon history is made -- it is an ultimate grand slam event in marathon running. But that's just my sense of things, and I could see the vote for the WR, too.
It is worth noting, however, that this OG marathon was one of the deepest marathon fields in history, which is one measure of its value amongst long-distance runners: 28 entrants with sub-2:09 PB: [email protected]:05, [email protected]:06, [email protected]:07, [email protected]:08. One can always wish that even more great runners would have been in the field, but however one looks at it, that was a great group of runners.
Moreover, I would vote for Wanjiru in part for the way in which he demolished this very deep field, and by the way, demolished the OG record.
Both Wanjiru's victory at the OG and Geb's victory today are history making. I just happen to think the history that was made in Beijing is of slightly more importance, even than the history made today by Geb.
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I love Geb, have done since 1992 World juniors when the Kenyan karate chopped him.... however he chose not to do the Olympics because he thought conditions would be too tough.... and he was right, conditions were pretty terrible, but one guy smashed the olympic record by nearly 3 minutes in those conditions and in my very humble opinion, Sammy rates above Geb this year.
Cannot wait to see them head to head in the future!!!
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Originally posted by skyin' brianOriginally posted by mikliAs of today, the WRs having been taken to the extreme, I think WR easily beats Olympic gold (in any mature event).
For the marathon (as with road racing in general), it's practically ALL variables. There's a flat, straight causeway across Lake Pontchartrain (LA). It's about the marathon distance, and I remember years ago some talk about staging a race there -- when winds were expected to be most "favorable." Don't know what ever came of that, but it illustrates why track and road racing should not be confused.
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