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  • Coach slams new NCAA Regionals format

    What's your feeling on this contentious issue?

    Here's the link to the document:

    http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/displa ... p?id=26102

  • #2
    I spent a several hours last weekend with a passle of DI Track coaches and had a chance to visit one-on-one with about eight of them. None favor the two region format.

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    • #3
      What conference(s), if you don't mind my asking?

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      • #4
        A bunch of conferences. It was at Cowboy Jamboree last weekend.
        I will have to go to the entry list.

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        • #5
          Sending 12 people to the NCAA championships in an event is ludicrous. That is, if I'm reading it correctly.

          Either cut to 16 or 8 but 2 heats of 6 is absurd (or 18 and 9 for a 9-lane track).
          "Long may you run"- Neil Young

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          • #6
            That's 12 from each of the two Regions, so 24-athlete fields at Nationals, about the same as they have now.

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            • #7
              thanks, thought I might have read it wrong...

              so 3 semifinals and top 2 + next 2..

              what about 1500 and steeple?

              Obviously, straight to finals in the 5K and 10K...
              "Long may you run"- Neil Young

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              • #8
                it will be interesting

                As coaches across the country find out about this new qualifying system I think they will be highly upset. No one knew of the details and now that it has been stuffed down our throats it will create huge problems. Staging of track & field meets is always a difficulty, but staging this monster with almost 2000 athletes in each regional will be complex at best. I just don't see how it can be presented in a coherent manner so that the fans we are trying so desperately to woo to our events will appreciate it. Even with two pits we will have at least 24 PV'ers going in each one. How long will that last? Two pits of HJ'ers going. How long will that last. And given no one has two long throw facilities those events will be contested one after another. Lets see, 48 Discus throwers each taking 3 tosses, with warm up inbetween flights. That just doesn't seem like the type of athletic contest most coaches, officials, athletes and fans will appreciate. Buckle up, it is definitely going to be a ride!

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                • #9
                  So, what is going to happen. Will this 1) go just as planned here; 2) do it for one year and then the coaches revolt forces a substantial change of the sort the coaches had outlined; 3) revolt now and (a) get minor changes or (b) get substantive changes; 4) none of the above?

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                  • #10
                    Re: it will be interesting

                    Originally posted by HigherEd
                    As coaches across the country find out about this new qualifying system I think they will be highly upset. No one knew of the details and now that it has been stuffed down our throats it will create huge problems. Staging of track & field meets is always a difficulty, but staging this monster with almost 2000 athletes in each regional will be complex at best. I just don't see how it can be presented in a coherent manner so that the fans we are trying so desperately to woo to our events will appreciate it. Even with two pits we will have at least 24 PV'ers going in each one. How long will that last? Two pits of HJ'ers going. How long will that last. And given no one has two long throw facilities those events will be contested one after another. Lets see, 48 Discus throwers each taking 3 tosses, with warm up inbetween flights. That just doesn't seem like the type of athletic contest most coaches, officials, athletes and fans will appreciate. Buckle up, it is definitely going to be a ride!
                    To piggyback on HighEd's statement concerning the field events, based on the proposed format, I believe the field events are a cluster**** waiting to happen. What is the procedure for breaking possible ties as they pertain to advancing to the national championships? How will the large field of competitors be managed for both the running and field events?

                    Looks like a lot of questions dealing with the logistical scheduling has to be worked out cuz as it currently looks, Regionals will be just like a JO meet.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gh
                      What conference(s), if you don't mind my asking?
                      Big 12, Big 10,

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                      • #12
                        Re: it will be interesting

                        Originally posted by ndamix

                        Looks like a lot of questions dealing with the logistical scheduling has to be worked out cuz as it currently looks, Regionals will be just like a JO meet.
                        Except everyone is in the same age group.

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                        • #13
                          48 in each event. Is that so different from what exist now? What are the numbers for the regionals now?

                          I respect the perspective of those of you at ground zero, but I am not seeing the monster here.

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                          • #14
                            The same number of athletes that used to be spread among 4 Regionals are now jammed into two (basically).

                            Have you ever tried to run a meet that has every event, both sexes, and there are 48 entries in each event? (and in 3 days) This is a clusterf**k of epic proportions in the making.

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                            • #15
                              It Will be Interesting

                              Originally posted by gh
                              The same number of athletes that used to be spread among 4 Regionals are now jammed into two (basically).

                              Have you ever tried to run a meet that has every event, both sexes, and there are 48 entries in each event? (and in 3 days) This is a clusterf**k of epic proportions in the making.
                              I agree 100%. The only change that I would make to regionals is in 400/800 & Steeplechase.

                              An athlete from a school that doesn't have strong relays may not know if 400 or 800 is best. T&FN wrote 30 years ago that James Robinson might have done better in NCAA 400 than 800.

                              My sugggestion for Regionals:
                              1. Schedule high hurdles & 100 heats on Friday BETWEEN 400 & 800 HEATS which would be about a two hours rest.
                              2. Have Steeplechase on Saturday AFTER 100 finals with 3 sections each of men & women. Numbers should be equal-- 8 - 12 in each section -- not 5 - 7 in one section & 17 in another section. This would also be about 2 hours rest between 400 & 800 finals.

                              I have one suggestion for NCAA finals--eliminate SEMIS for 400, 800 & 400H. OG & WCh have 3 semis of 8 each. I realize that Tom Hammond dislikes 3 semis, but a star such as Clement could have run 4x100, 400, 400H & 4x400 @ 2005 NCAA if he didn't have to run any semis & seven total races -- 5 @ 400. In fact, "X-Man" might have been able to win 100, 200, 400, 4x100 & 4x400 -- 11 total races, but only three 400 races @ 2006 NCAA:

                              Wed & Thu -- Multis finals
                              Thu -- 10,0000 finals
                              Fri -- 4x100, St., high hurdles, 400 & 5000 finals
                              Sat -- 100, 800, 400H, 200, 1500, 4x400 finals
                              none

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