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  • #61
    Thank you Vault-E! Those pics were definitely a few vaulteasers.....I recall reading Track and Field News' Olympic edition 1976 in which it was stated that Boyle finished fastest of all.

    At least I get to cheer for one of my two favorite all-time sprinters without generating choruses of boos from across the pond [like sometimes happens with Ashford]......

    It would seem Boyle has a big fan club to this day, or at least a few around here who are vocal. Who was the bigger phenomenon in Australia, her or Freeman? That may seem like a dumb question, given that Freeman did what Raelene never quite managed to pull off, in front of a home crowd, but I've been told by Aussies that she was considered a huge star.
    Take good care of yourself.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Mennisco
      Originally posted by AS
      The problem with all of this discussion is the issue of exceptionalism...

      The gist of the problem appears to be that somehow Australian athletics has "failed" for not producing another Raelene Boyle...

      The same could be said for a lot of nations
      Oh yes, the United States has failed miserably for never producing a single Raelene Boyle, while manufacturing a zillion porn stars with amazing legs.

      :wink:
      a culture that will pay what it does for a woman to perform the oldest tiredest tricks and yet pay nothing for a woman to shine as an example for countless generations is a culture not long for this world.
      ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by rasb

        To be brutally honest, and totally non-racist, this is a major issue for our sport around the World. The fact that runners of West-African/Caribbean descent totally dominate the sprint events is obvious. It is at least equally obvious that runners of East-African/North-African descent dominate the distance events. There seems to be an increasing number of nations/runners at least considering the possibility of not being able to compete in a lot of these events, at least in terms of making an Olympic final or World Top 16. Of course, this does not mean that any individual, of any race (no pun), in any Country may not be able to take on the challenge. But it certainly seems to mean that some/many are losing interest. This is one of my principle reasons for being opposed to having more than 3/4 per Country in Olympic/World events. Thoughts ?
        Agree completely.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Mennisco
          That woman had more star power in her personality than a dozen American and Jamaican sprinters, not counting Merlene Ottey or Flojo [but then Flojo just does not count, period....]
          My sun first rose with Wilma Rudolph, it then blazed with Evelyn Ashford, I then thought Marion was my nova, but it turned out she was a shooting star that burned out, but now I am illuminated by Allyson Felix! :wink:

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Marlow
            Originally posted by Mennisco
            That woman had more star power in her personality than a dozen American and Jamaican sprinters, not counting Merlene Ottey or Flojo [but then Flojo just does not count, period....]
            My sun first rose with Wilma Rudolph, it then blazed with Evelyn Ashford, I then thought Marion was my nova, but it turned out she was a shooting star that burned out, but now I am illuminated by Allyson Felix! :wink:
            There's a bad pun in there about Marion, sorry..... :P

            Down under has always held my fancy....
            Take good care of yourself.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Mennisco
              There's a bad pun in there about Marion, sorry..... :P
              yeah, I saw that AFTER I wrote it and just left it as is. Whoda thunk that Conte was actually telling the truth for once?! :roll:

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Mennisco
                It would seem Boyle has a big fan club to this day, or at least a few around here who are vocal. Who was the bigger phenomenon in Australia, her or Freeman? That may seem like a dumb question, given that Freeman did what Raelene never quite managed to pull off, in front of a home crowd, but I've been told by Aussies that she was considered a huge star.
                I think overall Cathy was a bigger icon. Pretty much every Aussie (whether a sports fan or not) knows of her. I'd say Raelene was a tiny bit below but as a star from 1968 to 1982 she had longevity rarely equalled. And Australians LOVE a larrikin like Raelene who states her mind and gives officialdom a hard time. Making three successive Olympic 100m finals (and she woulda done this at 200m as well except for her horror Montreal sf) is impressive in any era.

                I'll never forget the whole Moscow boycott controversy and seeing Raelene in a meet where I think she won the 100 and/or 400. After her race the track interviewer asked "And what do you think about going to Moscow?". Her reply - "I'm not going to Moscow....I'm going to the Olympic Games" was, I thought. the perfect reply to the politicians.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Marlow
                  Originally posted by Mennisco
                  There's a bad pun in there about Marion, sorry..... :P
                  yeah, I saw that AFTER I wrote it and just left it as is. Whoda thunk that Conte was actually telling the truth for once?! :roll:
                  for once... Proving that Marlow is as naive as tafnut was.
                  ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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                  • #69
                    I thought Renate Stecher (whoa, was she built!) won in Montreal, but according that photo of the finish, Richter won. I'll have to go back and check out the results.

                    In terms of the thread, I think it's different for Australia (and other countries) in the sprints, in that the USA has a long tradition of success, whereas it's once-in-a-generation for most other countries, regardless of skin colour. Once a certain level of success is built up, you get talent coming into the event, inspired by the success of the trailblazer and you'll get a series of talented, successful athletes.

                    Surely it's easy to understand that the 13 year old boy who's only running 11 seconds or 13 year old girl running 12-12.5 to feel they may never compete with the giants of the sport from the USA? In other threads on here people have mentioned fast white guys being pushed upwards to the 400m and events above.

                    I firmly believe that it's possible for a non East/North African to run 26:30 for the 10k. Bob Kennedy and Craig Mottram proved white guys could run sub 13 minutes for 5k. But until a role model comes through to run those times then most people aren't going to believe it's possible.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                      Once a certain level of success is built up, you get talent coming into the event, inspired by the success of the trailblazer and you'll get a series of talented, successful athletes.
                      If so then some credit to Berruti for a certain other Italian 200m prodigy.... and likewise Herb McKinley deserves a sizable portion of credit.
                      ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by paulthefan
                        Originally posted by Marlow
                        Originally posted by Mennisco
                        There's a bad pun in there about Marion, sorry..... :P
                        yeah, I saw that AFTER I wrote it and just left it as is. Whoda thunk that Conte was actually telling the truth for once?! :roll:
                        for once... Proving that Marlow is as naive as tafnut was.
                        Ha! You think Conte is NOT a pathological liar and I'M the naive one? :roll:

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Marlow
                          Ha! You think Conte is NOT a pathological liar and I'M the naive one? :roll:
                          It was once said of a former president, he is much more comfortable lying when the truth would do just as well.
                          ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                            I firmly believe that it's possible for a non East/North African to run 26:30 for the 10k. Bob Kennedy and Craig Mottram proved white guys could run sub 13 minutes for 5k
                            only problem is that by then the wr is likely to be somewhere like 25'50 - 26'00

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                            • #74
                              I don't see much progress at the top at the moment. Bekele's WRs have been completely unchallenged (even by Bekele) the last couple of seasons. In fact, nobody is running as fast as Geb, Komen and Tergat did in the 1990s.
                              Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                                I thought Renate Stecher (whoa, was she built!) won in Montreal, but according that photo of the finish, Richter won. I'll have to go back and check out the results.
                                Wyomia Tyus was the first Olympic sprinter, male or female, to retain an Olympic title. Carl Lewis became the second, after Ben was dq'd, and Gail Devers became the second woman to do it in Atlanta. Stecher was a clear second in Montreal. And yes, she was built, in a factory near Dresden.

                                :P
                                Take good care of yourself.

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