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  • sprintblox
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    Originally posted by Dave
    This is a disaster. I think that all of the drug testing should be complete within 24hrs of the competition. Do the testing before hand and do it multiple times if need be, but there should be a statute of limitations on testing. The person(s) who are on the victory stand should be the winners.
    Sure, in a perfect world, testing would be completed in 24 hours and would detect 100% of the dopers. But we don't live in that perfect world, so the testing has to take much more time if it is to detect the cheaters and reliably avoid pointing to the innocents.

    Those who cheated know themselves. The non-cheaters on the victory stand will be the secure in their victory. The cheaters will be made to suffer in uncertainty for years. I don't have a problem with that.

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  • bhall
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    Originally posted by 26mi235
    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain

    Given the apparent unreliability of the EPO tests (according to some posters on here) and the relatively short half life, you'd really imagine that EPO is something a lot of athletes might think worth taking a chance on.
    The half life of this type of EPO is much longer than with previous versions. Thus, athletes who had the drug were not so aware that they could test positive so long after the last use. However, one would suspect that there should not be the percentage positives as seen at the Tour since it was known since the Tour that the new version had these characteristics and that tests cold detect it (previously apparently it was thought to not be very detectable).
    Background on CERA and why it is an "easier" test for labs than regular EPO: http://www.velonews.com/article/80701

    Long and short of it- CERA molecules don't look like natural EPO and thus are easier to isolate and test for. Plus WADA had a jump on the users.

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  • midnightsun
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    yes but it's not like we have thousands of gold medallists in T&F. The pool of names is pretty small.

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  • Haskell45
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    hello everyone i am new here but have been reading since the demise of track shark.
    Well concerning the CERA tests; the track athlete could be anyone from a hurdler to a relay team member to a walker. Its really too ambiguous right now to be worried.

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  • EPelle
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    Pulling your leg 8-)

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  • midnightsun
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    well, "one gold medallist" meaning "one particular gold medallist", else I would have worded it "A gold medallist"

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by midnightsun
    I'm not sure mump has the same name in his mind as I do, but a I'd bet a couple € on one male gold medallist to be the one who is turning out positive.
    Well, it will be one male gold medalist. Save your €uros. ;-)

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  • Brettboy
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    If it's not Borchin then maybe it is RR....I would so love it to be RR.

    I was sent something by email a while ago which implicated a Russian female distance runner who won gold and entered two events. My first thoughts were that it was her..then realsied it said it was a man ops: :lol:

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  • midnightsun
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    I'm not sure mump has the same name in his mind as I do, but a I'd bet a couple € on one male gold medallist to be the one who is turning out positive.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by mump boy
    there's a really obvious track guy as far as i'm concerned !!
    Someone that does not compete on the circuit that much? We'll see.

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  • mump boy
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    there's a really obvious track guy as far as i'm concerned !!

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by lapsus
    But how would CERA benefit a weightlifter?
    http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... p?p=304373

    See that thread where there was a bit of discussion about the benefits of epo for sprinters. i think there are others in the archives too.

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  • lapsus
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    Originally posted by gh
    And as the noose tightens, latest story on front page says the track guy is male who won one gold. (if the source is correct)

    At this point, you gotta be thinking, as someone else noted earlier, ABB! (anybody but Bolt!)
    Or Bekele - which would almost as bad as Bolt. Saying that the male won one gold was a nice way of heading off rumors on those two during the next few weeks. If the one Italian on the list really is a cyclist, the track guy can't be Schwazer either. Looking at the results from Beijing, I don't think it is a given at all that the track male is Russian. Or even an endurance athlete, considering apparently one of the athletes is a weightlifter.

    But how would CERA benefit a weightlifter? Did somebody play a prank on the team doctor and label the CERA bottle "HGH"?

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  • gh
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    And as the noose tightens, latest story on front page says the track guy is male who won one gold. (if the source is correct)

    At this point, you gotta be thinking, as someone else noted earlier, ABB! (anybody but Bolt!)

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  • gh
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    On the other hand, if the IAAF was at all intimidated by the Russian camp, they never would have mounted that months-long, complicated, matching-samples operation that finally led to all the DQs last year.

    My gripe is more specifically with not going after coaches/federations in general, starting w/ the Hungarian guy who had both gold medalists that got DQed in Athens in '04.

    As long as they have sacrificial lambs (read, athletes) to feed to the testers, those in charge of real doping programs (as opposed to athletes free-lancing by themselves) can continue to feel rather bulletproof.

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